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confish86
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:07 am    Post subject: Pull in clutch lever 1 noise goes away Reply with quote

Still trying to find-fix & get rid of noises on this 94 K-LT i have. Engine still has it`s knock (but runs like a champ with 74K on it), but also heard another noise. After engine warmed up i noticed a noise that seams to go away when i pull in the clutch lever & comes back when i release it. I remember someone asking me this question, but we never got into detail what will cause it. I think i have read somewhere about the clutch spring going bad & making a noise untill the lever was pulled in (i`m thinking this is right) Now Looking at the PDF file i down loaded from here, is it the #1 or #2 on page 21.9 in the clutch section. Don`t notice the noise either way when idle is up while choke ? is on, only when idleing at 1000rpm`s.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the thrust release bearing, which is below the swing arm, hidden under some bellows.
http://www.maxbmwmotorcycles.com/fiche/DiagramsMain.aspx?vid=51711 Items 2 & 3 now combined.
It's a low cost minimum spanner (wrench) job compared to gearbox out.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tim (Midland Section) wrote:
Check the thrust release bearing, which is below the swing arm, hidden under some bellows.
The link Tim provided returns the main page. The part to which Tim is referring is Part #5 on page 21.12 of the PDF manual you downloaded. Although not broken out in that diagram, it consists of a piston and and small ball bearing. Does the noise remind you of a worn bearing? If so, it is a good chance Tim is correct. Can you source the noise to the gearbox? Have you tried the screwdriver as a stethoscope trick?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see what you mean , could it be that the spring is broken inside boot ?? & letting it rattle around. I see in the instructions it says remove the exhaust & rear wheel. Thats kind of a good thing as it has the #2 pipe that goes into the collector has a crack & i`m having a mechanic at work weld it (so no biggie there) I`m going to track this down (if i have to rip it all apart) i`m going to use my flip recorder to record it so you can hear it. (this coming friday morning)
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: Pull in clutch lever 1 noise goes away Reply with quote

confish86 wrote:
Still trying to find-fix & get rid of noises on this 94 K-LT i have.




Here's been a common fix for many of the K-bike sounds.
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confish86
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: Pull in clutch lever 1 noise goes away Reply with quote

Scott_Anderson wrote:
confish86 wrote:
Still trying to find-fix & get rid of noises on this 94 K-LT i have.




Here's been a common fix for many of the K-bike sounds.

still trying to sell off those butt plugs (I mean smart pills) Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My departed '93 RS made the same noise.

Phil Marvin was sitting next to me at one of the few New Hampshire traffic signals and asked me about it. It made the noise before AND after I had done a clutch R&R.

Scott's earplug suggestion is probably the fix.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too bad no one lives near by to have a listen. Bike not on the road or I would have the tech at BMW dealer have a listen. Funny how some say normal &some not. I had an 03 Yamaha roadstar that when warm & under load the engine would knock. Brought it back to dealer & said it was normal . Brought it to another dealer and tech said WTF & installed new engine under warrentee. So normal to some is what there used to & to others it is not (just sayin )
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Confish writes.
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Funny how some say normal &some not.


There is a clutch rumble with the bmw dry clutch.

In the K1200rs it is very pronounced and scares many folk.

There is a fix and it involves gearbox removal and a little part replaced.

In the K12rs it was so worriesome to some that the factory re configured the ecu to raise the idle and it is less noticeable then.

Some Ducatis have it too but LOUDER.

YMMV Wink Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well if old man winter keeps this weather warm i`m looking at putting it on the road & put the FJR away. Shocked This way i`ll save a little bit of tire wear on the Yammie, and figure out what this needs & when a little warmer if i have to rip into it then so be it. Calling Progressive tomorrow on how much to add. They lowered my payment & now no deductable. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well got the chance to use my flip to record the sound , it`s from 30 seconds on, then louder at 47 seconds . I let it make the sound then pull in clutch , then let it out a couple of times. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPbYXQXxFvE&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll pay more attention today when I get mine out here in a little bit.
What I heard I think I have also heard on both of mine, but I'll listen a little closer today.
I've only got one where I can get it out and start it right now. The other one is buried in the back of the garage waiting for a rotor bobin replacement project this winter.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott_Anderson wrote:
I'll pay more attention today when I get mine out here in a little bit.
What I heard I think I have also heard on both of mine, but I'll listen a little closer today.
I've only got one where I can get it out and start it right now. The other one is buried in the back of the garage waiting for a rotor bobin replacement project this winter.


Thanks !! by the way whats the numbers next to the bike years in your sig? if its last of vin mines 0301130 (just guessing)
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW compared to my earlier K1100RS that is extremely silent. And mine was after clutch swap.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:48 pm    Post subject: CLUTCH NOISE ENGINE RATTLE Reply with quote

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Still trying to find-fix & get rid of noises on this 94 K-LT i have. Engine still has it`s knock (but runs like a champ with 74K on it), but also heard another noise. After engine warmed up i noticed a noise that seams to go away when i pull in the clutch lever & comes back when i release it.



Here is a discussion from a good K bike forum on the sound of engine o clutch rattle noise. The comments by RFW and Voxmagna are especially worth reading....
http://www.i-bmw.com/showthread.php?t=34337&highlight=box+rocks+noise

My 2c worth and all the best for 2012 Folks from sunny downunder Oz Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

confish86 wrote:
Scott_Anderson wrote:
I'll pay more attention today when I get mine out here in a little bit.
What I heard I think I have also heard on both of mine, but I'll listen a little closer today.
I've only got one where I can get it out and start it right now. The other one is buried in the back of the garage waiting for a rotor bobin replacement project this winter.


Thanks !! by the way whats the numbers next to the bike years in your sig? if its last of vin mines 0301130 (just guessing)


Yes the numbers are the last 7 of the vin.

Well as far as the sound goes, I didn't hear anything noisey when cold, when hot there was a little bit in the tranny, but nothing really loud.
I think my '95 has a little louder noise to it but it also has more miles on it.
Im at 90K on the '95 and at 45K on the '97 that I had out today.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As a new K110 owner and spannerman this thread is essential reading for people like me, especially the link to the other thread provided by merlin geikie. This is a great BBS, thank to all. Ian
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply, guess it will have to ride it until something breaks.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buckles writes;

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As a new K110 owner and spannerman


Welcome to the K11 Ian.

Loads of info and a really friendly bunch of Folk.

The net will offer you all the support you may need, just keep doing your homework.

A Clymer Manual is a must plus good quality tools and keep asking questions.

You have a good bike and certainly tried and proven. Robust to boot DAMHIK Embarassed

The K12 which I have is essentially the same as a K11 just a few mods.

All the very best and more than a few aussies and kiwis with Ks too Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2012 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well i noticed that the #2 header pipe was cracked at the collector, so i decided to pull the exhaust off the bike. Well after all the nuts were off the exhaust came out nice but then i heard a clunk. The #4 pipe was broken off right at the collector Crying or Very sad So i had a talk with one of the mechanics at work & asked if he could weld it up (sure no problem) So $50 bucks lighter & happy it turned out perfect, i installed it with new copper gaskets (talk about needing 5 hands to install it) Bike fired right up & wow it`s quite , but knocking is the only sound i hear now. (so i`m a little happier) with bike at idle it does it but pull in lever & it`s gone, but i do notice if i bring the idle up to 1100 RPM`s it goes away. (thats with twisting the throttle a little). Now is there a way to raise the idle up 100 RPM (from a 1000) to 1100 so the noise will go away. (or i just masking up the real problem)
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