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Saltcreek
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:17 pm    Post subject: If you think you have one gallon of gas and 50 miles to the Reply with quote

next gas station, what speed and rpm would you hold?

Also, anyone know how much vertical play is acceptable in the sidestand and is it adjustable?

I know I'm new here but is anyone else a little scared of the guy with the cowbell?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. Keep it under 60, and the RPMs low but not lugging. Biggest problem is starting off the fuel sloshes to the back of the tank which bogs the bike down.

2. Mine has an inch or 2 of play...the sidestands are generally considered subpar on these bikes...they need another 2-3" of elevation to work right. I rarely use mine.

3. Be afraid, be very afraid. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

the rs...

i still have not figured out how much gas my tank holds or how many miles i can go on a tank...

but i can tell you i get 40 mpg 2 up aggressively attacking the mountain roads... if i had it full to begin with my fuel light comes on at 140 miles...

i have ridden 160 miles between fuel stops and there was very little fuel in the tank...

the l t in the possession of scott underscore anderson...

my fuel light would come on at 180 miles 1 up flatlanding... i rode that thing 200 miles between fuel stops... dont recall the mileage...

that l t was one tight motobrick... where as my r s is a loose motoheap...

crazy aint it...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2. Mine has an inch or 2 of play...the sidestands are generally considered subpar on these bikes...they need another 2-3" of elevation to work right. I rarely use mine.

3. Be afraid, be very afraid. Cool[/quote]


I'm still having a little trouble getting the ergonomics of the centerstand elevation. I think it's largely having the confidence to stand on it without worrying about laying the bike down. No I haven't done that.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All K bikes lean far on the sidestand like that - back to the very first K100.

I don't have much wiggle room in my garage - I use a 3/4" baord under the sidestand.


Putting the bike onthe centerstand:

Put it in neutral. (Keeps the rear wheel from grabbing initially.)

Straighten the handlebars.

Grab the handle and left grip. Lean the bike while pusing down on the centerstand until your feel the right foot of the centerstand touch down. Push down hard with your foot while lifting the handle.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying Duck wrote:

Putting the bike onthe centerstand:

Put it in neutral. (Keeps the rear wheel from grabbing initially.)

Straighten the handlebars.

Grab the handle and left grip. Lean the bike while pusing down on the centerstand until your feel the right foot of the centerstand touch down. Push down hard with your foot while lifting the handle.

Good advise. I think the critical element is to make sure the right side isn't hovering when you stand on the left.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah the key is making the handlebars are straight.

I put down the stand "feeling" that both legs are on the ground and put my whole weight on the center stand while guiding it with the rear rack.

The only time I use the lever is on an incline.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying Duck wrote:
Push down hard with your foot while lifting the handle.


Be careful not to tug on the left handlebar too much while doing this as it causes premature failure of the left hand grip heater. With practice, the left hand becomes more of a steadying influence rather than actually exerting pressure on the bar.

As for the sidestand, it can be improved, but as soon as you increase the preload on the rear shock to carry extra weight (or for stiffer suspension), the lean angle will increase again.

It's a losing battle

The fork in the sidestand leg of my bike had become 'spread apart' somewhat, causing a greater lean angle than desired, so to remove the play, I used an angle grinder to take off some metal from the inside of the fork. This had the effect of truing it up, but in the process it had of course made the whole gap slightly wider, necessitating the use of a thin ‘packing washer’ to enable it to fit snugly back together. It has made a significant difference to the lean angle, and will suffice as a repair for the next few years, I’m sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off the grid wrote:
Yeah the key is making the handlebars are straight.

I put down the stand "feeling" that both legs are on the ground and put my whole weight on the center stand while guiding it with the rear rack.

The only time I use the lever is on an incline.


Luggage racks are plastic and will break.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I would do (ok, what I *did*) was practice it 5 or 6 times in my garage on a nice, level floor.

You can do 99% of the lifting with the downward pressure of your foot. You really don't have to do much with your hands at all. When you step down, feel for whether or not both sides of the stand are touching the ground, once they are, mentally count to 3, and step down hard.

You may not get it on the first try, but after a couple, you'll nail it every time.

Also, I've been told not to ever use the sidestand (although I still do at the gas pump) because of the way oil settles in the bricks.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I leave mine on the sidestand all the time. The early two valve Ks had softer rings and would let GOBS of oil by. The redid the rings in 88 so it wasn't as much of an issue forthe two valves but id left sitting for an extended period they could still do some mosquito.

I left my RS on the sixdestand in the garage for about a month once. It put out a little oil smoke on starting but not too bad.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I leave mine on the sidestand a lot of the time - who cares if it smokes a little when you start it? Go a block or two and it's done... I thought the oil was getting back in past the valves, not the rings...

Centerstand is no big deal once you figure it out - just grab the handle and step down hard on the centerstand - I usually hold the clutch in rather than leave it in neutral.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 12:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying Duck wrote:
Putting the bike onthe centerstand:

Put it in neutral. (Keeps the rear wheel from grabbing initially.)

Straighten the handlebars.

Grab the handle and left grip. Lean the bike while pusing down on the centerstand until your feel the right foot of the centerstand touch down. Push down hard with your foot while lifting the handle.


Scott_Anderson will be picking up our new RS Motobrick next weekend- he has never put a RS up on it's center stand, concerned he won't know what to do without a handle... Do you think you could write him a tutorial Duck?
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ms.Bug wrote:
Do you think you could write him a tutorial Duck?


Funny bend in frame.

Done.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ms.Bug wrote:


Scott_Anderson will be picking up our new RS Motobrick next weekend- he has never put a RS up on it's center stand, concerned he won't know what to do without a handle... Do you think you could write him a tutorial Duck?


Don't worry there Ms Bug. I used to have a Yamheap that had a center stand and no handle. Just grabed the frame, and up she went.
Laughing Don't read anything else into that either. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 3:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

K11Martin wrote:
... necessitating the use of a thin ‘packing washer’ to enable it to fit snugly back together...
I too used a thin washer to shim the gap. It helped somewhat.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Off the grid wrote:
Yeah the key is making the handlebars are straight.

I put down the stand "feeling" that both legs are on the ground and put my whole weight on the center stand while guiding it with the rear rack.

The only time I use the lever is on an incline.


OTG,

I agree with your centerstand technique, but use my right hand on the handle under the left side of the saddle.

IMHO, the sidestand is a P.O.S. After I "deleted" the sidestand switch, I actually contemplated removing the sidestand completely. If at all possible I always use the centerstand- but every once in a while I have to park Hades on a slight side incline or on a very soft surface and I sort-of trust the sidestand.

Ms. Bug- Lots of Luck!! (handle? we don't need no stinkin' handle)

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 04, 2009 6:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SugarHillCTD wrote:
IMHO, the sidestand is a P.O.S.


I agree 100%. The K1100 is the only bike I've ever owned that has had a kickstand fold up on me and dump the bike. And it's done it twice.

When I got my new F800GS, I was impressed with the beefy kickstand. I thought, wow BMW finally learned how to design a kickstand! So guess what the first part on the bike to fail was? The kick stand is bent, causing severe lean issues. No idea how it happened. Just normal use. New one on order...
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnb wrote:
SugarHillCTD wrote:
IMHO, the sidestand is a P.O.S.


I agree 100%. The K1100 is the only bike I've ever owned that has had a kickstand fold up on me and dump the bike. And it's done it twice.


That's happened to me a couple of times too. Now I always give the side stand a good kick forward before leaning the bike over.
Only use the centre stand for periods away or to work on it or wash it - neither of which occurs often Shocked
Unfortunately where I park at work it's either cobbles (not fun to balance onto the centre stand) or an incline; impossible to 'roll' it off the centre stand while on the bike and I haven't got the confidence yet to push it off from the side.
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