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chaddleman
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 Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:31 pm Post subject: Sad newcomer |
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I was so excited about my recent acquisition, a beautiful, well looked after K1100LT, but my euphoria has been short lived.
I was just going through it, cleaning and fettling, as you do, and noticed a scuff on the rear of the front mudguard.
I thought nothing more about it, till I saw a similar scuff on the centre piece of the fairing, that connects the fairing lowers.
It’s in direct alignment with the scuff on the mudguard, indicating that at some time, the two have made contact.
Then I started really getting into this, and found possibly more evidence that the bike has been in a front end shunt.
On the left hand fork, there is a yellow sticker with abs sensor gap information.
On the LT, according to all the photo’s I’ve seen, this sticker should be placed at the bottom of the fork leg.
On my bike, it’s half way up, in the same position this sticker is placed on the RS, indicating that the forks were replaced with the RS one’s.
I of course checked with the insurance register, and the bike came through perfectly.
It has never been written off, but something has happened.
Maybe someone in the past crashed it, and repaired it without going through the insurance.
I can find no sign of any frame damage, and the bike runs perfectly.
All the panels fit nice and tight, and I can see no sign of any damage at the headstock.
***The next step, reluctantly, will be to remove all the plastics and fuel tank, to see if there is any sign of anything sinister under there.
If my theory is correct, then is it possible to bend the forks that far back so the mudguard touches the fairing, and not sustain frame damage.
I’m quite depressed about the possibility that lurking under the bodywork, will be signs of a big impact.
***I have now had all the bodywork / tank off, and had a really good look around the frame and headstock with a powerful LED torch, and can see no signs of damage.
Everything looks straight and un molested.
I don't know what to do
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Jim
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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Here's what to do: ride it. Be happy.
The bolts that hold the back part of the mudguard on, if over tightened, will deform the plastic mudguard, and allow the guard to slip out of the bolts - leaving it hanging by the top center screw. If the Scotch Lok type pads are worn and not holding, the mudguard will rub against the radiator cover... Paint damage - nothing more. It's happened to a number of K11 owners.
When a mechanic at the dealer overtightened the mudguard bolts on the K, I did not realize the guard was flapping around until I reached my destination. I bought 4 star washers, installed one on each side of the bolt holes in the guard - has not come loose since.
Can't comment on the ABS sticker situation.
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Inge K.
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| Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2015 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| If it helps...........K1100LT and RS forks is identical. |
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chaddleman
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| Jim wrote: |
The bolts that hold the back part of the mudguard on, if over tightened, will deform the plastic mudguard, and allow the guard to slip out of the bolts - leaving it hanging by the top center screw. |
Hmmm.
Now that is interesting.
I noticed that there are a couple of extra brackets fitted to the caliper mounting nuts on both sides, onto which the mudguard is secured with self tapping screws.
It does look quite homemade, and I don't see these extra fixings on other LT's.
I'm now wondering if what you suggest did indeed happen, and a previous owner decided to add these extra brackets to prevent it happening again.
Feeling a bit better now. |
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Inge K.
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| These extra brackets is for the OEM Velcro pads, which usually don't function anymore. |
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SugarHillCTD
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:58 am Post subject: |
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Chaddleman,
Welcome to the OG!
Lots of folk here with years of K11 experience, both riding and wrenching.
Hope your K-LT is what you expected.
John
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rbm
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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The rear half of my mud guard has come loose several times and ended up flapping in the breeze. Luckily I've always managed to catch it doing this misbehaviour and avoided paint damage. I have the same problem as described by Jim, along with the same solution -- star washers. I wonder why the original design didn't have full eyelets through which to fasten the guard; they would be more secure than "U" shaped holes.
Do you have photos of the brackets? I've not heard of this OEM solution before.
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Scott_Anderson
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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Robert, part #15
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chaddleman
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Scott_Anderson wrote: | | Robert, part #15 |
Yes that's exactly what I have.
I assumed it was aftermarket, because my mudguard has been drilled quite crudely to take the screws that go through into the brackets.
In fact, one side has 2 holes where the first one drilled obviously didn't line up.
I've studied several pictures of LT's and couldn't find one with a similar arrangement, so assumed it was a homemade job.
Clearly it isn't, so would these brackets have been retro fitted, or would they have been standard.
If it's the latter, then that blows away the mudguard detaching theory.
PS, what's part 17 ?
I've just studied the parts diagram again, and see that the screws through the mudguard into the brackets that I have, are missing on the diagram.
So obviously, the original brackets depended on Velcro tabs to secure to the mudguard.
I know that because there are little Velcro tabs present on the brackets, which I can see in the diagram (11and 16)
So it's pointing back to the flapping mudguard theory.
Maybe those Velcro tabs just didn't hold it in place, so the owner decided to make doubly sure in future, and drilled through the mudguard and bracket and secured with self tappers.
Sorry to make such a big deal out of the, but you know, new bike and all that
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Scott_Anderson
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| Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2015 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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I can say that the brackets were stock on both my '95 & '97.
The parts listing for #17 says sealing strip, but I can't say that I've seen any of it on either of my bikes.
Like many others I do need to replace the dual lock Velcro strips on mine.
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1995 K1100LT 0302044
2017 FLHTK Ultra Limited
Garmin StreetPilot 2820
Garmin Zumo 550
Garmin Zumo XT
"One who does not ask questions is ashamed to learn" Danish proverb
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1997 R1100RT ZC62149(sold) |
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Mike d
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| Quote: | | I've just studied the parts diagram again, and see that the screws through the mudguard into the brackets that I have, are missing on the diagram. So obviously, the original brackets depended on Velcro tabs to secure to the mudguard. |
Quite correct. and that standard Velcro does eventually loose its grip, hence the flapping mudguard. Had it happen on my 94 LT, with the guard then rubbing on the front of the engine.
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John Clauss
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I bought my bike in 2003 (ten year old K1100RS) and it had obviously been in a crash. Bent handlebars, bar ends knackered, Replaced right side mirror, and missing Parabellum windshield. I bought from a dealership and they were straight with me from the go. They ordered a new windshield for me when I put the deposit down. (they were waiting to see the new owners height. I have since put 100K miles on the bike with no issues so ride it and don't worry about it.
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chaddleman
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| Posted: Mon Nov 23, 2015 11:15 am Post subject: |
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| Mike d wrote: |
Quite correct. and that standard Velcro does eventually loose its grip, hence the flapping mudguard. Had it happen on my 94 LT, with the guard then rubbing on the front of the engine.
Mike |
I'm 99% sure I've got to the bottom of this now.
Clearly those brackets are standard, and the mudguard is secured to them with Velcro tabs.
The fact that someone in my bikes past, drilled through the mudguard into those brackets, and fitting self tapping screws, does kind of point towards someone want to prevent them from dislocating, which is what may have caused the scuffing I noticed.
The fork abs sticker is still bothering me though.
Mine is fitted half way up the fork leg, as per the RS.
The LT should have it at the bottom of the fork leg, keeping it un obscured by the more enclosed mudguard design
| John Clauss wrote: | | I bought my bike in 2003 (ten year old K1100RS) and it had obviously been in a crash. Bent handlebars, bar ends knackered, Replaced right side mirror, and missing Parabellum windshield. I bought from a dealership and they were straight with me from the go. They ordered a new windshield for me when I put the deposit down. (they were waiting to see the new owners height. I have since put 100K miles on the bike with no issues so ride it and don't worry about it. |
I guess these bikes are pretty tough |
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John Clauss
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| chaddleman wrote: | | Mike d wrote: |
Quite correct. and that standard Velcro does eventually loose its grip, hence the flapping mudguard. Had it happen on my 94 LT, with the guard then rubbing on the front of the engine.
Mike |
I'm 99% sure I've got to the bottom of this now.
Clearly those brackets are standard, and the mudguard is secured to them with Velcro tabs.
The fact that someone in my bikes past, drilled through the mudguard into those brackets, and fitting self tapping screws, does kind of point towards someone want to prevent them from dislocating, which is what may have caused the scuffing I noticed.
The fork abs sticker is still bothering me though.
Mine is fitted half way up the fork leg, as per the RS.
The LT should have it at the bottom of the fork leg, keeping it un obscured by the more enclosed mudguard design
| John Clauss wrote: | | I bought my bike in 2003 (ten year old K1100RS) and it had obviously been in a crash. Bent handlebars, bar ends knackered, Replaced right side mirror, and missing Parabellum windshield. I bought from a dealership and they were straight with me from the go. They ordered a new windshield for me when I put the deposit down. (they were waiting to see the new owners height. I have since put 100K miles on the bike with no issues so ride it and don't worry about it. |
I guess these bikes are pretty tough |
Do not get hung up on the placement of the ABS sticker. I believe that this was placed during the original set-up of the bike by the dealer, and different people may have placed them differently. Here is a picture of my RS, with original forks and as you can see my sticker is at the bottom of the fork leg, just above the axle. Above that is the inspection sticker and then the reflector.
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