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Bob T
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 12:00 pm    Post subject: ABS lights - And oh yes, I searched Reply with quote

OK...I've read dozens and dozens of posts on the ABS system, here and at several other BMW sites/forums...
Read the factory and the Clymer manual and I cannot find the answer to this question:

What does it mean when both ABS lights are on all the time?
Not flashing at all, just on.

I was getting the alternate flash when she first came home and found the new battery the PO had put in was not fully charged, (11.9V), but after a night on the tender, she will hold 12.8-9V...
Still flashing...
Tried to clear codes, (yes I probably shouldn't have), tried to read codes with the 12V LED, nothing....
Somewhere along the way both lights come on solid and have stayed that way since.
Also the rear sensor gap was way tight, (.40mm),
PO told me he had the rear brakes done, don't know by who...
I managed to open it up by moving the caliper to the minimum gap.
Front was good.

Still need to renew the brake fluid...but it doesn't look bad.

Anyway...just trying to find out what the solid lights mean and trying to avoid a trip to the dealer....

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a shot in the dark here, but if one of the lights your talking about is the triangle one, check your tail/stop lamp, when my triangle one came on to tell me i had a bulb burnt, it was my tail lamp bulb, but with mine, the ABS flashing light would turn off after it did its check..
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

E T wrote:
Just a shot in the dark here, but if one of the lights your talking about is the triangle one, check your tail/stop lamp, when my triangle one came on to tell me i had a bulb burnt, it was my tail lamp bulb, but with mine, the ABS flashing light would turn off after it did its check..


Thanks, but no. That works as intended...as soon as I apply both brakes it goes out...

I am talking about these two ABS indicators:

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, I didn't realize there were two ABS lights. I've never seen the one on the right(?).

I'd try disconnecting the battery and let the motronic brain re-set itself and see if it persists.

Otherwise I'd suspect the battery, if it was an issue before. My battery just recently went south and one of the warning signs was the flashing ABS lights not going off after I started rolling. I had to stop the engine and restart to get them to clear, and by the next ride the battery was dead.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sometimes the errors can be persistent - you might try to reset it again, as I remember there are at least two methods (anyone chime in?)
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skdonlan wrote:
Hmm, I didn't realize there were two ABS lights. I've never seen the one on the right(?).

I'd try disconnecting the battery and let the motronic brain re-set itself and see if it persists.

Otherwise I'd suspect the battery, if it was an issue before. My battery just recently went south and one of the warning signs was the flashing ABS lights not going off after I started rolling. I had to stop the engine and restart to get them to clear, and by the next ride the battery was dead.


Thank you...
I did disconnect the battery for several minutes with no change...and the the battery is new and holding 12.8-12.9 volts....
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 ) Ignition off.

2 ) Ignition on.

3 ) Jumper wire from the middle hole of the diagnostic connector to ground.

4 ) ABS switch on and hold for 1 minute.

5 ) Remove jumper wire.

6 ) ABS switch off.

7 ) Ignition off.

8 ) Jumper wire from the middle hole of the diagnostic connector to ground.

9 ) Ignition on.

10 ) Ignition off.

11 ) Remove jumper wire.

11 ) Ignition on.

12 ) Start motorcycle.

13 ) Ride to engage ABS.

14 ) Repeat until the ABS works.

15 ) It took 504 repetitions for me on ABS 2 system.

16 ) My K1100 is very fast.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 01, 2010 10:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skdonlan wrote:
Hmm, I didn't realize there were two ABS lights. I've never seen the one on the right(?).


ABS II is different from ABS I.

Disconnect things and if you can let it sit unpowered for a few days. Capacitors need time to discharge.

JO was having issues with his ABS II lately. For weeks, if not months. He tried resetting it a bunch of times and then a week or two ago it just started working again. Go figger.....

Since both lights are solid one thing I'd check is that the leads on the back of the ABS switch are not shorting each to other.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Flying Duck wrote:

Disconnect things and if you can let it sit unpowered for a few days. Capacitors need time to discharge.

Yes, I can do that...

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JO was having issues with his ABS II lately. For weeks, if not months. He tried resetting it a bunch of times and then a week or two ago it just started working again. Go figger.....

I think I read a thread about that, or someone else that had that happen...
Let's hope

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Since both lights are solid one thing I'd check is that the leads on the back of the ABS switch are not shorting each to other.

No luck there...checked it yesterday and all was good.

I also haven't checked the resistance of the sensors...
Maybe tonight I can trace the wires and find the connectors...

Thanks for the help, everyone! Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bob,

Best of luck with the $#!^$!!@ ABS.

But it sounds like you could use the electrical tape mod (to cover over the red abs lights).

I did it once to my K-RS and a couple weeks later the bike fixed itself. Shocked Go figure.....

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to throw an extra spanner (wrench) in the works, I've had a similar issue when an alarm system started to go south, and the abs were the first lights to start mucking about. Soon followed by all sorts of Christmas tree effects on the dash before I had the offending article removed. Is it just me, or are alarms on bikes just a 24 carat PITA.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 02, 2010 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smile Smile Smile Smile

Re: ""Is it just me, or are alarms on bikes just a 24 carat PITA. ""

No DL.... it is NOT just you ! I've used the "SugarHill" tape-mod and to date my ABS lights are still alternately blinking underneath. Some believe it is just a bubble of air trapped in the modulator that is causing the problem, thus far however I have found no way to bleed and modulate at the same time in order to force any residual bubble OUT ! Many of us are in the same boat and continue to ride sans ABS !

Good luck and best regards........// Ernie in NH
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