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voodooskin Brick Rider

Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Posts: 28 Location: Pacific NW
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 12:08 am Post subject: Probable cause for difficult downshifting? |
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My '97 K11 commonly doesn't downshift easily. Going up through the gears is no problem. Blipping the throttle when downshifting seems to work, but I'd rather be able to downshift w/o having to do that, and I'm wondering if I'm letting a problem go un-dealt-with.
I had the local BMW shop crack this thing open and clean/grease the clutch spline about 3 months ago. I saw the bike when it was all apart and it looked like that was a job that was due (splines were pretty dry but otherwise in decent shape).
That seemed to fix the problem for about 4-6 weeks.
Before taking it back in, any likely candidates that would cause this and are any of them easily fixed
Thanks for any hints! _________________ 1997 K1100LT
49,000 miles |
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Jim Site Admin

Joined: 17 May 2003 Posts: 3841 Location: WHERETHEFUNNEVERENDS
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Posted: Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:19 am Post subject: |
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Do you preload the shifter? There's a write up on how to shift on the IBMWR K bike tech page.
Do you know what they lubed it with? Is the local BMW shop a BMW dealer? If they used the BMW spline lube, it's no good (according to my BMW guru - Anton Largiader - and a number of other people). Dealers probably still use it.
You at least want to lube it with Honda moly paste, or better yet, Guard Dog. _________________ Jim
1997 K1100LTSE 94,000 - still has gremlins!
1995 R100RT Classic 16,650 crashed - repaired!
1992 K75RTP 46,000
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Shoganai Biscuit Fluffer

Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 2234 Location: Culpeper,VA
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:56 am Post subject: |
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What you are describing is how my bike was shifting before the input shaft stripped in clutch plate.
I was told "they all do that" by none other than a BMW shop tech.
They said 'pre-load' the shifter.
That's BS and don't buy into it.
After replacing the input shaft and clutch plate the bike has been smoothe as a buttery scolded weasel.
You can keep the input shaft lubed, which is a PITA but doable, and it will help for a time, but it will not last. _________________ 1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak
The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT
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voodooskin Brick Rider

Joined: 08 Nov 2009 Posts: 28 Location: Pacific NW
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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:38 am Post subject: |
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The spline lube was done with Guard Dog, I ordered that based on recommendations found on K11OG.
Thanks for the suggestions on probable cause. Might have a clutch in my future sounds like... Damn, I just had the thing cracked open  _________________ 1997 K1100LT
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Shoganai Biscuit Fluffer

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Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:50 am Post subject: |
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| voodooskin wrote: | Thanks for the suggestions on probable cause. Might have a clutch in my future sounds like... Damn, I just had the thing cracked open  |
If you can, replace the input shaft at the same time. Cost for new is $333 from BMW. (plus labor if you don't do it your self.)
The clutch plate is a wear item.
But once the splines become notchy or rounded, they'll eat up another clutch plate, but I bet you could get several 1000 miles on it.
I'd like to hear from others on that. _________________ 1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak
The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT
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voodooskin Brick Rider

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Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:23 am Post subject: |
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Thanks. I'll just ride it this summer for sure, maybe get it dealt with next rainy/cold season  _________________ 1997 K1100LT
49,000 miles |
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