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Oh wait, it has. 13 people, in fact.

Disgusting, considering the cowardly attack had everything to do with the savages "faith". (More of a cult, actually)

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[Phil Marvin]

[quote="SugarHillCTD
What's the old expression.....How do you punish just the bad politicians? Put all politicians in a bag then hit it with a stick.[/quote]

Hi, John,
Since I met you, I'd modify that statement to, "Put all politicians except one (John) in a bag... ." Of course, you aren't a PROFESSIONAL politician, just a citizen filling an office and doing public service for a term or two, like our Founding Fathers intended.
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[Roy S.]

PC... It is so last minute!!!
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[ljjohns]

Respectfully, I suggest that there's a dimension to this that those outside the military do not understand. The major is going to be tried within the Uniform Code of Military Justice, something that stands philosophically within the larger system of U.S. justice but operationally within some different parameters.

The Military Justice system has the command authority as both prosecutor and adjudicator; consequently, there is a critical imperative to insure that the two functions are kept separate.

The SECDEF commissioned this investigation while, through the chain of command, establishing the judicial structure for the trial.

There is a careful distinction being maintained here: the SECDEF is looking at the systemic issues surrounding the particular case: he and those conducting the inquiry on his behalf are being careful not to intrude on the judicial process, lest it be compromised. But it is appropriate for the SECDEF to conduct what in the Army is called a 15-6 investigation, a "commander's inquiry" somewhat akin to a grand jury inquiry, into the larger environment to determine what other systemic or individual failures might have been in play.

That is what this report by two highly respected and competent senior military officers did: investigate the context of the events at Fort Hood and NOT what the major, now scheduled for trial, did. And they have identified others whose actions or inactions should be subject to further action under the UCMJ or applicable Army regulations.

Larry Johnson
Major General (retired)
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[John Clauss]

I must say this:

What Nidal Hasan did was driven much more by mental illness than by Islamic faith. The Army falled in many things here, but the most basic was that an officer surrounded by supposed "metal health experts" was allowed to spiral so completely without proper care or diligence.

I am in no way defending what he did, but the man completely lost it and no one dropped the dime on him. There are serious issues there that need to be dealt with.
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[Frank T]

MG Johnson,
Thanks for the very clear description of the process, one of the best I have read and I spent 28 years in the Army.
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[ljjohns]

Again, I must draw on my experience to suggest that the investigation is revealing a systemic problem WITHIN the Medical Corps. For the last fifteen years, I've been mentoring an individual who began his military career as a Ranger-qualified combat arms officer who deployed to Desert Storm with the 3d ACR.

He was ultimately selected for medical training in the Army's medical school and has been on active duty as an MD for the last ten years. He is a hard charger, having volunteered for additional deployments with operational groups (e.g., as command surgeon for a SF group).

He was selected for early promotion to Lieutenant Colonel based on his performance.

He has, however, voiced repeated frustration with the management and discipline within the Medical Corps, as applied to both its military members and its contract physicians. Both, he asserts, are absent. He attributes that largely to the huge shortage of physicians--both uniformed and contract--willing to serve and thus a laxity induced by staffing needs.

While the Hasan incident has caused the Army as a whole to look more carefully at what might be going on beneath the surface in all of its branches, the problem in the Medical Corps is a problem of management and discipline.

Finally, it should be noted that the self-scrutiny being undertaken by the military extends to a reassessment of other "sub rosa" elements within the services, to include "gangs" and "white extremists" groups.
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[ljjohns]

For whatever it's worth, my experience would suggest that when any form of extremism surfaces--and the immediate chain of command is populated by folks with standards--it would be addressed.

"Turning a blind eye" towards a problem is not an ideological act; it is a failure of leadership. And such failures result in "waste, fraud and abuse" as well as the needless death of soldiers caused by "leaders" who, intent on their own "success" ignore issues rather than accept responsibility for them.

The military--including the Medical Corps--is not what I would describe as an organization (at any level) that values "political correctness."
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