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endoman100 · Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: The Spline Lube Question

my k1100rs has over 100k on it. I have know Idea when the spline lube was done on my bike.
Is this something That the BMW dealer needs to do? or Is this something I can do myself? what spline are you refering to? How much should I expect to pay??
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Flying Duck · Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject:

Transmission input splines. You need to take the whole rear of the bike apart. Since yours is a 93 with ABS I it won't be that bad. It's just all of the labor to take everything apart and put it back together. Figure a whole day the first time.

At a dealer it will run you $700-1,000 depending upon the dealer. LOTS of labor involved to put $0.80 of lube on the splines.
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Flying Duck · Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:25 pm Post subject:

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93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
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endoman100 · Posted: Thu Mar 12, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject:

Off the grid · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 1:19 am Post subject:

endoman100 · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:18 pm Post subject:

I asked the guy I got the k1100 from,he said he just had the spline lube done about 2k miles before he parked it for six years, so do I need to worrie about the slpine lube because of age or do i go with lube every 30k miles? as recomended? Shocked

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Flying Duck · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:24 pm Post subject:

endoman100 · Posted: Fri Mar 13, 2009 11:35 pm Post subject:

Shoganai · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:47 am Post subject:

100K? Woof!! Very Happy

Ok, I'm going to say a really ugly thing, so please bear with me.

I'll try to make the story short.

1. The 1993 K1100RS bought with 50K on it was my first BMW.
2. From day one it was an unforgiving bitch to downshift.
I learned to "pre-load' the shifter and how to avoid "false neutrals".
3. I was told "They all do that", both from the shop and other K-riders.
4. I paid for two spline lubes and for a while after each, it shifted buttery smooth.
5. I thought I just had to live with.

Then one day, I stripped the input shaft / clutch plate far from home with almost 100k on it.
Broke down for 10 days, I ordered a very low mileage Tranny and installed it with a new clutch plate.

It had NEVER shifted sweeter. It's as forgiving as a Honda and almost never, ever has false neutrals.

I'll try to post pics of what it looked like as soon as I can.

Now, here's the deal. Your options are as follows: IMHO
1. Deal with it until it breaks or you sale the bike.

2. Replace the input shaft. (Not for the faint of heart and might best be left for the shop mech., and it's not cheap.)

3. Spline lubes are a BIG deal the first time around but gets easier and faster each time. And I suggest a clutch plate replacement the next time it's done.
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The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
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Shoganai · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 2:55 am Post subject:

I plan the next time I do a spline lube to take the time to document it very well with photos and 'talk thru' posts to help people new to this see the whole process.

Does anyone here think this would be of any value?
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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

endoman100 · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 7:54 am Post subject:

Saltcreek · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:13 am Post subject:

Shoganai · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 8:49 am Post subject:

Shoganai · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:10 am Post subject:

Pics as promised

Old input shaft.

Shredded clutch plate.

Newer input shaft.

Note the wear pattern on the old shaft.

More pics here.
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2917817&postcount=1047

BTW, these are the "splines" you'll be lubing that are found on the input shaft.
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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

HoosierStu · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:15 am Post subject:

I thought spline lubes were only due at 30K. Are they instead due every 30k or 30k and 100k or what?
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Shoganai · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:24 am Post subject:

Flying Duck · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 9:55 am Post subject:

endoman100 · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:12 am Post subject:

Thanks Flying Duck for the info.
It' might just me being to light/lazy on the foot.
It's my first k bike and I'm learning more about them everyday from this group, I will change the spline lube in near future if only for the "knowing it's done" will ease my mind.
BTW, I did'nt buy mine from a dealer, I got lucky and a friend flat out gave me the bike. he is the one who put the 100k on it. the odometer has not worked since I got it. but I have put alot miles on it already and plan on putting alot more Cool

I'm just glad I have one Very Happy

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Time Is On My Side
Yes It Is
1993 K1100RS

Flying Duck · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:20 am Post subject:

joeangi · Posted: Sat Mar 14, 2009 11:46 am Post subject:

As many others have said, the spline lube is nothing to be afraid of. It does take while, but if you are methodical it is pretty easy.

My two hints are...if you are going to change the clutch (Might as well as long as you are there), is that an impact wrench to get the nut off is almost mandatory. The manual says to replace the nut and the bolts to hold the clutch on, as they are both "one shot " deals.

Second, you really don't need a jack under the tranny to wiggle it out. I found that it only weighs about 40-50 lbs. It was easier to pull out by hand. Put something soft on the floor, and remember it is important to pull straight out until the clutch rod is clear, as it is easily bent.