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Matt
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I guess I'll stick with my original plan and include the vacuum canister with the install. I was able to pick up a real nice small ball type canister with built in check valve on eBay last month, cheaper than constructing my own from pipe. Where did you tap the wiring connections? I have a multimeter but no electrical schematic for the bike yet. Did you use the included electrical connectors, or something different? Several articles on the internet state different dip switch settings; how did you set yours? Any other pictures you can post would be enjoyed.
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lrome48
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| Matt wrote: | | I guess I'll stick with my original plan and include the vacuum canister with the install. Matt |
before you mount the canister (What size is it?) there may be a setting that can be changed to shorten the delay, hey Duck, is that right?
I'll post the install in detail soon.
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Jim
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:06 pm Post subject: kruze kontrol - no kan |
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| Jim wrote: | | lrome48 wrote: | snip
Can you send me a link where to find it? All I have seen are versions with smaller servos.
Thanks,
Larry |
OOPS!  My bad. You're right - they still have the can.
I'm sure I was reading a description of a system that didn't have the can. I'll have to do some checking.
At any rate, there is plenty of room in the left front fairing (at least on the LT) for the servo - in front of the radio bucket. |
OK! I TAKE IT BACK! I WAS RIGHT! HERE IT IS. Don't know which model works with the K, but it's available, and for not all that much more! http://www.brandondist.com/products/cruise1223.htm and http://www.rostra.com/cruise-control.htm I didn't go nuts searching - I think this is also sold under the Audiovox name.
If I had it to do over (and I might), I would go with the electronic version. Looks like a much cleaner install.
FWIW - when you tap into the large coil wire, you can sneak the original wire out, open the plug, add the cc wire in there, crimp it back, and you'll have a very nice connection.
I think our K bikes also have an available VSS output to tap into.
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RJTrucker
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: Cruise control |
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I know it is nto the same thing but I have been very happy with my Friction type throttle miester. It only cost me $50 used and works great and never even had a problem with the electric grips making it bind up. Is this not a cost effective solution?
Ron
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Jim
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:50 pm Post subject: throttle lock |
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Ron - a throttle lock doesn't operate the same as a cruise control - I'm sure you're aware of that. To maintain speed on anything except very flat terrain, you'd have to be constantly adjusting the throttle lock. CC takes care of all that for you.
The throttle lock that came on my bike - I don't know if it's a Throttlemeister or what, is something attached to the right bar end that I have to reach over and twist with my left hand. In an emergency situation, I might end up looking like one of those old switchboard operators on a busy day. ' ' Hell, the Flip-a-Lever was better than that - much easier to use - I could flip it on or off with my right thumb. With CC, if you need to knock off some speed real quick, just hit the brake or the clutch - either one releases the throttle.
$50.00 for a throttle lock or $100.00 for CC? No contest - I'll take CC any day. 
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chopper_harris
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Irome48
There is an LT on the CeeBailies web site, which looks remarkably like yours - even down to the satnav brackets ?
http://www.ceebaileys.com/bmw/bmws1100lt.htm
As Warhol said - we are all famous for 15 minutes
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Scott_Anderson
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Jim, reading the fine print for those Rostra units, the remote control for the handle is an extra $40. That makes it $200 for the electronic.
It is included under the AudioVox label for $100 for the vac version.
I'm thinking more and more about getting one sooner than later.
Ride safe
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lrome48
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| chopper_harris wrote: | Irome48
There is an LT on the CeeBailies web site, which looks remarkably like yours - even down to the satnav brackets ?
http://www.ceebaileys.com/bmw/bmws1100lt.htm
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Yes Sir, Guilty as charged. I took my LT to Cee Bailey and asked them to make a shield for the K1100LT. Before then Cee bailey did not offer one for the early K's. I gave them an old stock screen which they took the mounting dimensions from and then modeled a new version. They gave me one of each screen that they produced, it was a great experience.
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lrome48
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:56 am Post subject: |
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I can't believe it! I finally started a thread that is longer than one page!!! 
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Jim
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:35 am Post subject: cruise control |
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| Scott_Anderson wrote: | Jim, reading the fine print for those Rostra units, the remote control for the handle is an extra $40. That makes it $200 for the electronic.
It is included under the AudioVox label for $100 for the vac version.
I'm thinking more and more about getting one sooner than later.
Ride safe
Scott. |
Scott - either unit is good - you won't regret it. Like I said, I didn't do a lot of research, but remembered reading about an electronic unit. I'll probably replace my vac unit with the electronic eventually.
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Matt
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Well, its a no go after the first test ride for my cruise install. The power light illuminates, but pressing the set button doesn't engage, just a decelerating coast. When I hooked it up I used one of the smaller wires from the coil instead of the larger thinking that the smaller wire was closer to to the same size as the blue from the cruise. Could this make a difference? Can't think of anything else that could be causing it not to work except maybe a faulty unit. Any help appreciated.
Matt
That is indeed a very nice mounting bar system. After experiencing the vibrating/shaking results of my 5 minute special I think that the solid rod seems not to bad of an idea. Do you see much vibration with it? Did you experiment with other designs before coming up with your present design? |
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Jim
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: CC |
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you need the large wire - that info is somewhere in Duck's CC install thread.
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Matt
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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I've switched the small green for the larger green; I read that it don't matter which coil. Is the larger wire needed because it is higher power/voltage? I'll see if it works on the ride to work in the morning.
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lrome48
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| Matt wrote: |
That is indeed a very nice mounting bar system. After experiencing the vibrating/shaking results of my 5 minute special I think that the solid rod seems not to bad of an idea. Do you see much vibration with it? Did you experiment with other designs before coming up with your present design? |
Actually yes. I stopped by the Gadgetguy's shop to see what he had lying around and mounted a straight bar from one of the upper left dash mounting screws to the opposite right screw but it shook too much, was unstable and looked like , so I went home and bent up the bracket you see on my bike. I will have my garage in shape to start building bikes by the end of next week, I'll see what I can do about bending up a few more. I may modify the configuration somewhat to make it easier to fabricate. The mounting will remain the same however, as it is very stable and after nearly 40k miles is solid and secure.
The two underside middle mounting bosses on the fiberglass windshield frame have to be drilled and fitted with 10-32 UNF helicoil inserts, and one .266" hole must be drilled in the top center of the dash. There is a 6" section of 1/2L" X 1/16 THK" flat bar installed inside along the top of the dash that is bent to conform to the slight curve of the upper dash. There is a 1/4-20 UNC tapped hole in the flat bar. The upper bracket support post attaches there. You can see the horizintal support post in this photo. It is a section of 3/8"" dia. tubing secured with a 2 1/2" long 1/4-20 SHCS.
I'll ttry to post a few more photos when I change out the windscreen to the smoked one.
Did you get the cruise working?
Cheers,
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Matt
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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Got the cruise working by switching to the larger coil wire. I'll give it a better test this weekend to see how it works in different conditions. I installed it with the vaccum canister and was able to fit the servo in the right area of the front fairing and the cannister in the left area. I only put the first and last dip switches in the on position. Thanks for the help, and if you get around to fabricating some extra mounts please keep me in mind. I would really like to mount the GPS in front of me so I can keep my eyes on the road in front of me too.
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Flying Duck
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:43 pm Post subject: |
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There really is no need for a vacuum reserve cannister. I just completed a 3,700 mile ride and mine is still working fine on the LT without it.
I even tried lugging up some grades at fairly low rpms and was still able to have the cruise maintain speed.
Two-up riding might be different though.
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Jim
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:57 pm Post subject: CC |
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| Matt wrote: | I've switched the small green for the larger green; I read that it don't matter which coil. Is the larger wire needed because it is higher power/voltage? I'll see if it works on the ride to work in the morning.
Matt |
Matt - I believe the large wire is the one that carries the signal...
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Matt
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, It must be cause after tapping into it the cruise has been working flawlessly. Haven't used it on any long trips yet, but it will get more use I'm sure. Is there anyplace I can get a free electrical schematic for the LT? This is the first bike I've had that has fuel injection and I really like it.
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Flying Duck
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| Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Matt wrote: | Yep, It must be cause after tapping into it the cruise has been working flawlessly. Haven't used it on any long trips yet, but it will get more use I'm sure. Is there anyplace I can get a free electrical schematic for the LT? This is the first bike I've had that has fuel injection and I really like it.
Matt |
What year is your LT? I can email you a wiring diagram set for 93 and earlier Lts.
(Hint: It helps others help you if you put the model and year of your bike in your signature.)
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PHIL1601UK
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I had to dig this thread out of the archives and ask where you guys get these units - tried an internet search but they don't seem to want to sell them abroad do they? Saw a very dodgy looking unit on e-bay, half the parts seemed to be missing.... that's life. 
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