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Flying Duck PsyKotic Waterfowl
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 10087 Location: Bumf***, WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:06 am Post subject: Spline lube possible w/o removing ABS II unit? |
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My 95 RS will be pushing 40k by January so I figure I'll pick a rainy day and grease them splines. From prior threads, I get the idea that most folks here are removing the ABS II crap to get ti out of the way.
Anybody here ever done an ABS II spline lube without disconnecting the brakes? (I really hate screwing with brake fluid and just changed it last week so I'd like to avoid putzing with the brakes.)
In looking at my parts RS, it seems as though it could be held up to the frame with some string or whatever.
On other fronts: F**K LEAKS!. The right front fork is leaking - CRAP! The bike is in CA now and I"m home. I'll have to buy some fork seals and replace them when I go down for Christmas before I ride it back home. Oh well, good time to add fork boots and upgrade to some RaceTech springs I'd originally bought for the LT. (I was waiting for the LT forks to start leaking before putting them in - those nasty little clips in the forks are not one of my favorite things to play with. ) _________________ 93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
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John S Mad Brick Rider
Joined: 08 Jan 2005 Posts: 108 Location: Queensland Australia
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:32 am Post subject: |
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I'm sure I read somewhere a description of how this can be done without removing all the brake plumbing, but of course can't find it now.
If you go down this route some pics on how you support the brake components would be great.
Cheers |
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pfls
Joined: 24 Sep 2007 Posts: 2 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: |
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You can do a spline lube without removing the abs pump. Just unbolt it and tie it up to the frame out of the way. |
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Das Boot Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 10 Feb 2006 Posts: 458 Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:31 pm Post subject: |
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Duck,
Be very careful the abs pipes can bend very easily, its not a fun job, I would suggest a helper. A small thing going in your favor is that the splines are tougher on ABS2 machines. The splines are coated with the same Nikisil stuff as the internal engine parts. My transmission input splines have always had plenty of grease on them and looked like new. I cleaned them and regreased but they did not need it. I am not going to open mine up again. Do you know if they were ever lubed before? If you know for a fact they were, I would leave them alone. If you are digging into it, I would suggest buying the bushings for the paralever, since it sounds like you are going to keep the bike.
Somewhat uncommon tools you will need:
a heat gun
a 12 mm socket or wrench
a 6 mm socket
a torque wrench that can go as low as 7nm which is very close to 5lbs
a very good quality Loctite for the nuts and setting the outer stud allen head bolt.
I would look into the marine grade grease that many have suggested is even better then the Moly 60 stuff as well, I cant think of what its called at the minute, I ll think of it and let you know the name. _________________ Dom |
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Flying Duck PsyKotic Waterfowl
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 10087 Location: Bumf***, WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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Das Boot wrote: | Duck,
Be very careful the abs pipes can bend very easily,
Fortunately, if I bust one, I've got the 96 parts bike to loot.
A small thing going in your favor is that the splines are tougher on ABS2 machines. The splines are coated with the same Nikisil stuff as the internal engine parts. My transmission input splines have always had plenty of grease on them and looked like new.
Hmm... maybe I'll put if off for a while until the temps in my garage warm up. Or if it shows symptons of being dry. (i.e. trouble downshifting)
I cleaned them and regreased but they did not need it. I am not going to open mine up again. Do you know if they were ever lubed before?
I have maintenance records from about 22k which don't show it on so my assumption is that they have not been lubed.
If you are digging into it, I would suggest buying the bushings for the paralever, since it sounds like you are going to keep the bike.
Not worth the money at this point in time. Might as well wear out the factory ones first. And IMO, they're not that hard to replace if I ever need to.
Somewhat uncommon tools you will need:
a heat gun
If it's for the large inside pivot, then I've found I don't really need to heat that one up - I just put a piece of pipe on the Allen wrench and it turns fairly easily.
a torque wrench that can go as low as 7nm which is very close to 5lbs
a very good quality Loctite for the nuts and setting the outer stud allen head bolt.
Got one.
I would look into the marine grade grease that many have suggested is even better then the Moly 60 stuff as well, I cant think of what its called at the minute, I ll think of it and let you know the name.
I've already got a tube of the Honda 60.
And thanks for your input. |
_________________ 93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
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Das Boot Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 10 Feb 2006 Posts: 458 Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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Duck,
Looks like you have things covered. The heat gun is for the big 12mm nut and the 6mm stud on the opposite side. I was able to use a big breaker bar on the 12mm, however the 6mm was harder and had more Loctite on it and needed to be heated.
If it was me, I think I would check the universal joint for smoothness and the splines on either side. If they look good, I would button it up and call it a day. If dry or worn then I would "think" about tackling the entire project. I only mention checking them out becuase I dont trust the dealers work.
BTW, I would take a close look at the bushings inside the forks as well, when you have them apart, my inner bushings were badly worn and need replacement. And while you have the forks apart it might be a good time to check the steering head bearings play. Do you have the BMW spacer tool? I think its only way to do the job or you can make one using the exact same specs.
Best of Luck, _________________ Dom |
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jimajr37
Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 24 Location: Centennial, Co.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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By the way, not were you, but how much were you affected by the flooding? Thought about you when I saw the pictures on the news.
Jim |
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Das Boot Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 10 Feb 2006 Posts: 458 Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:27 pm Post subject:
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By the way, not were you, but how much were you affected by the flooding? Thought about you when I saw the pictures on the news.
Jim
Jim,
He is a Duck. I am sure he's fine I hope anyway
BTW Duck,
If and when you ever get into the input drive splines, it would be a good idea to take out the starter and clean it up with some contact cleaner. _________________ Dom |
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Flying Duck PsyKotic Waterfowl
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 10087 Location: Bumf***, WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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Das Boot wrote: | BTW, I would take a close look at the bushings inside the forks as well, when you have them apart, my inner bushings were badly worn and need replacement. And while you have the forks apart it might be a good time to check the steering head bearings play. Do you have the BMW spacer tool? I think its only way to do the job or you can make one using the exact same specs.
Best of Luck, |
Yes, I do have one. I found a guy to make one for me for free.
(I need to do that on the LT too.) _________________ 93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
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Flying Duck PsyKotic Waterfowl
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 10087 Location: Bumf***, WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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jimajr37 wrote: | By the way, not were you, but how much were you affected by the flooding? Thought about you when I saw the pictures on the news.
Jim |
Well, I'll bet Snoqualmie Falls was POURING!!!
Me, I was down in SoCal until Tueday evening so I mssed it all.
While people in Seattle were flooding, I was taking a monring ride on wicked Highway 74 in a mesh jacket and Levis with my visor open in 70+ weather:
_________________ 93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
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jimajr37
Joined: 28 Oct 2005 Posts: 24 Location: Centennial, Co.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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Why am I not surprised?!!! Good for you! |
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QXEA
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 13 Location: PDX USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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Duck,
I do not think you can. When I did the splines on my 95 RS the thing that prevented me from leaving the ABS unit in place was the tray that is under ABS unit. You need to get the tray out of the way to remove the alternator. Once you pull the lines off the ABS unit you can swing it outside the frame and tye rap it up. Once you get that thing out of the way it makes the job much easier. FYI, I did the splines on my 95 RS at 43,000 and they were in great shape, no wear, no red rust.
Cheers,
Merle |
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Flying Duck PsyKotic Waterfowl
Joined: 27 Jan 2005 Posts: 10087 Location: Bumf***, WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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QXEA wrote: | Duck,
I do not think you can. When I did the splines on my 95 RS the thing that prevented me from leaving the ABS unit in place was the tray that is under ABS unit. You need to get the tray out of the way to remove the alternator. Once you pull the lines off the ABS unit you can swing it outside the frame and tye rap it up. Once you get that thing out of the way it makes the job much easier. FYI, I did the splines on my 95 RS at 43,000 and they were in great shape, no wear, no red rust.
Cheers,
Merle |
1) Why would you remove the alternator? There's no need. Maybe you meant the starter biut even then there's no real need to REMOVE it. All you HAVE to do is remove it's mounting bolts from the tranny - and then lift up the back of the starter when putting the tranny back on to keep it out of the way.
2) "Red rust?" You do know that the original BMW spline lube was a red color, right? It does tend to look like rust on splines so some people mistake it for rust. I've seen many K bike trannies (even one with 170k on it) and have never seen rusting splines. Alhtogh I suppose it might be possible is a highly corrosive environment.
I think the biggest challenge will be that damned bracket for the peg plates. _________________ 93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
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QXEA
Joined: 13 Sep 2006 Posts: 13 Location: PDX USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Duck,
The red rust I was referring to was all of the red colored metal fillings you see on splines that are run to long in between spline lubes and the splines are just trashed.
Your correct the alternator does not need to come out for a spline lube but I wanted the alternator out to replace the rubber cushions between alternator and the engine.
The bracket for the foot pegs needs to come out to move the tranny back for sure. Getting it up and off the studs that hold it in place could not be done because I could not get the ABS unit high enough with the lines connected to remove the tray and the foot peg bracket.
Cheers,
Merle |
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