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Flying Duck
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 2:08 pm    Post subject: Guard Dog Moly Gear Oil Additive Reply with quote

When I first put this stuff in my LT over the summer I didn't really notice any change. I wasn't impressed. However, once I put a few thousands miles on it the bike started shifting better so it does seem to work.

I also put some in my K75 and that is the s-m-o-o-t-h-e-s-t shifting K bike I've ever had but I did it from the start when I built the bike so have nothing to compare it to.

Anyhow, I think this stuff actually works.

As for wear reduction, who knows but I'd guess it works on that front too. It'll be interesting to see how much stuff has collected on the drain plugs (I did the FD too) at the next gear oil change.

YMMV.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 3:21 pm    Post subject: +1 Reply with quote

The products are EXPENSIVE!! The products WORK!!

There is no magic bullet for a mechanical problem, but this product line works as advetised. If you are in doubt about exactly WHAT you need, give them a call. Very helpful over the phone or via e-mail.

I ordered off the web site and the owner contacted me directly though e-mail wondering how I heard about them, then personally verified my order.

If you are not into mixing 2 lubes for the ideal lube paste on your splines, these guys have what you need for that as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I emulsify my moly powder into the oil for both the tranny and the final drive. I've noticed easier shifting and at least in the final drive with my infrared thermometer a reduction in the final drives temp under similar conditions. I also make my own spline lube using the Wurth SIG 3000 and mixing in my moly powder which makes a very dark stick mess that holds like glue on the splines.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks to Rich I too added the moly powder to my transmission and it made a huge difference, going into the final drive next.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:50 pm    Post subject: Moly powder Reply with quote

From where does the magic moly powder hail?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You would have to ask Rich though I think you can get it from Guard Dog Smile I added the correct amount of powder to a 1-liter bottle of Mobil-1 synthetic gear oil, then shook, tossed, tumbled and basically mixed the hell out of it for a good 10 minutes. Adding it was a bit difficult as the Moly turns the oil from that lovely amber shade to jet black and adding the treated oil seemed a bit counter-intuitive. But there was no problems, my Ratio-Rite cleaned up just as it always has (awesome $4 investment) and while the noticeable improvement in shifting happened not immediately but after 100 miles or so, it was then sudden and substantial.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 7:27 pm    Post subject: Moly powder Reply with quote

Yeah, I figures Rich may chime in.

Otherwise, I need to order more GD moly treatment for my gear drive & transmission. Time for the change come first spring warm up and I want to be ready.

If we get one of those January thaws, I may do it then as I don't long term store the K over winter.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 09, 2010 10:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ordered mine from here.

https://www.host-manager.com/stores/rosemillcom/product.asp?productid=258465

It is not cheap, $48.50 but you get 1lb of the 1.5 micron size and it's enough to last a long time. If you get some let me know and I can get you the ratio of how much you need for the trans and final drive.

Now the best is the tungsten disulfide which is much better at reducing friction but it is also denser and will fall out of solution faster. It is also smaller and can actually be used in the engine oil and not be taken out by the oil filter. It is also more expensive.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 5:46 am    Post subject: NOW WE ARE TALKING Reply with quote

Rich mention a new additive.

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Now the best is the tungsten disulfide which is much better at reducing friction


Give us as much low down on the tungsten disulphide as you can please Rich Laughing .

Rich seems pretty well up to speed with the new technologies Very Happy .

I have been using moly for years.

Thanks Rich Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had done a lot of reading on both the moly and tungsten lubes. The tungsten has the lowest coefficient of friction out there and is used in a lot of things including NASA and the aerospace industry. It is far superior to the moly and what I have been reading recently is that even though the tungsten is denser than moly it's smaller size helps keep it in solution better. The finer particles also to a better job off filling in scoring marks which makes for more friction free movement.

I am going to pick some up to use in the engine oil this summer. I will be working on the ratio I need to add to the engine oil and will let everyone know what i come up with.

The price has also come down on tungsten and here is another place where you can purchase it.

http://www.lowerfriction.com/

Here are some specs

http://www.ws2oil.com/what-is-ws2.html
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 12:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aw, come on, guys. Keep using the Moly. It's one of the things we mine, aside from copper and gold! We don't mine tungsten.
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Phil Marvin - working at the Morenci, AZ mine of Freeport McMoRan Copper and Gold, Inc.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 11:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little update:

I added the Guard Dog moly gear oil stuff to my LT final drive and transmission about 12,000 miles ago. Yesterday I drained both of them prior to doing a spline lube. Much to my amazement there was virtually nothing on either of magnetic drain plugs. That's just crazy after 12,000 miles.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet another useful prodect not easily available in the UK ! Mad

I had a look through my oilsgreases etc... & came across a tube of this stuff :


Do you reckon it's worth throwing this in at the next gearbox oil change ?


The last time I went to the U.S. the majority of my baggage allowance on the flight home was made up of oils & accessories etc...!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That sure looks like the right kind of stuff.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at the ingredients and read up a lil on google.

The moly in a tube for gearboxes has been around a long time in oz but was put on the back shelf after all the teflon products came out.

Reno Del Ben, a well-known classic K rider who has clocked nearly one million miles on the one K75, told the Kbmw list that he put a nub of moly 60% grease in gearbox and final drive.

Good enough for me, I do that too now. Wink

As FD says, good results, he knows his stuff, be sure about that.

The Guard Dog stuff is very very good and used at the highest level of industry.

That stuff in your picture should be about the consistency of runny honey and enormously black and slippery.

All the best and don't overdo it though.

Robert Fleischer a renown bmw guru, warns that you have to be sure that sensitive spindle bearings retain enough grip on the bearing race, to keep rotating and not just slide over the race, eventually causing uneven wear and premature spindle bearing failure. Crying or Very sad
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