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ChrisWeeK1100RS
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 Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 5:46 am Post subject: Bikes at 2009 Tokyo Motorshow |
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Hey all,
Just thought I'd share some of my pictures from recent 41st Tokyo Motorshow. The 'star' of the show was the new Honda VFR of course, 173bhp! The rest of the show was good, but on a lot smaller scale than previous years. It was still a lot of fun though, can't wait for the 2011 TMS! 
Hope you like the pictures!
Chris
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VFR's Engine with Dual-Clutch Gearbox
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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Is this a "Crossover" bike?
Great pics.
Where's the BMWs??
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: Bikes at 2009 Tokyo Motorshow |
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NOW you have my attention- NICE LOOKING SETUP.
BMW has had a bunch of problems with the new K1300. This looks like an excellent alternative.
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| owrstrich wrote: |
nothing like pioneering a 1st year model there shctd...
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If it were most companies I would have some 1st year production concerns, but the big H seems to get it right the first time (as opposed to the K1300  ) The new VFR does appear to be an evolution of the V-4.
| drmalacarne wrote: | | Is this a "Crossover" bike? |
Hey Doc, the DN-01- without luggage- has been tested by several magazines and one tester was quoted as saying that it is an $9000 motorcycle/scooter with a $6000 transmission (the transmission is a newly developed continuously variable type) Yes, the non-luggage version is over $15000 
According to Honda:
| Quote: | Fully-automatic HFT transmission offers several modes. You can put it in "D" and it functions like a stepless automatic. "S" is the sport mode for more spirited riding. And "M" lets you "shift" between five preset ratios—only there's no clutch to worry about.
The HFT has to be the most user-friendly transmission ever developed. It gives you all the convenience of an automatic, yet much of the control of a manual, should you choose. |
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SugarHillCTD
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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Actually Honda has the VFR on their website
http://powersports.honda.com/vfr/#/home
and it is available as a conventional 6 speed  or with a "dual clutch transmission" where the shift lever and clutch lever have been replaced by thumb and forefinger paddle shifters- which sounds like a motorcycle version of the DN-01
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drmalacarne
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| Posted: Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: Bikes at 2009 Tokyo Motorshow |
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| SugarHillCTD wrote: |
NOW you have my attention- NICE LOOKING SETUP.
BMW has had a bunch of problems with the new K1300. This looks like an excellent alternative. |
And what's the problems with the K1300??
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Looks like over-engineered bikes complete with expensive, complicated options that make little difference to the "real" motorcyclist not to mention little to no storage capacity.
In this economy they should really stick to the basics....do they actually think that expensive, nightmare-to-service single-purpose bikes will appeal to a broader audience? Sure....maybe a dozen people.
They need to make simple bikes for bottom dollar that get great mileage and are as reliable as an anvil....sure whats the fun in that but that's what America needs. There will always be enthusiasts and collectors. These fancy transmissions are perfect examples of over-thinking the motorcycle consumer. There is already a customer for that type of bike...they are called scooter riders. (not that there is anything wrong with riding a scooter, it's just not for me)
If they are expecting the floodgates to open and millions of new motorcyclists will embrace the sport due to the lack of "complicated" gear shifting and uni-purpose bikes they are sorely mistaken.
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drmalacarne
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| Off the grid wrote: | Looks like over-engineered bikes complete with expensive, complicated options that make little difference to the "real" motorcyclist not to mention little to no storage capacity.
In this economy they should really stick to the basics....do they actually think that expensive, nightmare-to-service single-purpose bikes will appeal to a broader audience? Sure....maybe a dozen people.
They need to make simple bikes for bottom dollar that get great mileage and are as reliable as an anvil....sure whats the fun in that but that's what America needs. There will always be enthusiasts and collectors. These fancy transmissions are perfect examples of over-thinking the motorcycle consumer. There is already a customer for that type of bike...they are called scooter riders. (not that there is anything wrong with riding a scooter, it's just not for me)
If they are expecting the floodgates to open and millions of new motorcyclists will embrace the sport due to the lack of "complicated" gear shifting and uni-purpose bikes they are sorely mistaken. |
That's a good point, Dave.
I like too the words:
"Keep it Simple"
Over-engineered bikes gets old very fast, and are a pain to keep working.
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Engineers need jobs too. 
That TMAX looks like a cool scoot. (Not that I'd pay that kind of coin for a scoot though.)
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| drmalacarne wrote: |
That's a good point, Dave.
I like too the words:
"Keep it Simple"
Over-engineered bikes gets old very fast, and are a pain to keep working.
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Your country is a perfect example Gui. Millions of single-cylinder bikes that last forever. Some smart marketing people looked at the need and filled it.
Would that fly in America? Probably not yet....but we are heading there.
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A few points:
In the US, bigger is better.
In the US, scoots are for wimps/girls. (Just a general observation. I rode a 49cc Yamahopper in college and loved it.)
In the US, if you're going to use something for more than just around town then you need something that's stable and solid up to 70 or 75mph. There are lots of good decent mid-sized bikes available. They just get looked at as "beginner" bikes. (Back to the bigger is better thing.)
Young males, a fair portion of the marlet, are going to gravitate to race replicas which by their competitive nature will be highly engineered.
Older people, with money, are going to look for bikes that are decked out for touring so there is a market for that stuff as well as the advanced engineering. Obviously hit by the current state of the economy now but that won't last forever.
Bottom line: In the US motorcycles are looked at as big toys, not a form of transportation as in many other countries.
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| Flying Duck wrote: | A few points:
In the US, bigger is better.
Bottom line: In the US motorcycles are looked at as big toys, not a form of transportation as in many other countries. |
100% agree.
You would think that with the economy going down like a fat kid on a twinkie that would change but it has not.
Funny that for the 2 months that gas was 4.50 a gal (like it is in most other countries) people were actually considering scooters/small bikes as transportation. How fast that goes out the window when the gas prices "normalize" again.
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| Off the grid wrote: | | Funny that for the 2 months that gas was 4.50 a gal (like it is in most other countries) people were actually considering scooters/small bikes as transportation. How fast that goes out the window when the gas prices "normalize" again. |
If you consider 2.60 the new "normal". It was only down at 1.50 not that long before it hit 4.50
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I would love if here in Brazil we could have only big bikes, not that thousands of "motoboys", riding betwen cars like angry bees....
Just here in Sâo Paulo, we have 3 deaths daily in bike crashes...not counting the guys that will die in the ER and Hospitals, and not that will become in severe handicapped condition.
That's some pictures of the Sao Paulo's Motoboys....
A first step could be forbid the splitlaning.
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And that is a motoboy that could not stop in time....
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great pics from Tokyo!
Talking of the K13, wasn't there some major problem with the new electronic brake system - like several total failures?
I think in Europe, at least, there's still plenty of room for the flappy paddle gear change (not to say I like it) and other innovations; perhaps the market is significantly different from the US one but over here and on mainland EU there's a market for bikes which do the job AND express a certain style / aspiration. And that's with the relatively very high fuel prices we suffer...
Gui: so glad we didn't have to find our way through those motoboys when we rode through SP!! What a nightmare.
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Yeah SP is kind of an extreme example of "too much", and I know the motorbikes there do not pay any heed to traffic laws of any kind. They are like buzzing insects.
However outside of the city when you see mothers with their children, seniors and people from all walks of life going about their daily routine with motorcycles....it's kind of awe-inspiring.
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| Off the grid wrote: | Yeah SP is kind of an extreme example of "too much", and I know the motorbikes there do not pay any heed to traffic laws of any kind. They are like buzzing insects.
However outside of the city when you see mothers with their children, seniors and people from all walks of life going about their daily routine with motorcycles....it's kind of awe-inspiring. |
Yes Dave, here in Brazil, Honda sells about 30.000 per month little 150cc bikes.....Mode that 300.000 per year.....
That's a lot of bikes.
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