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Glawseagle
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 Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:09 pm Post subject: K1100LT ABS Lights Flashing ... New Battery Fitted. |
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Hello gentlemen,
As you can see from my previous post(s), I am new to K1100's.
Had a few K100s and a K1200 but not a K1100 until last month.
So my question is about the ABS lights flashing until you set off.
I know that the lights flash continously if the battery is low or has problems, but I have just replaced the battery and the ABS lights now flash until I move off. This didnt happen with the old battery.
Excuse my ignorance, but is this normal?
Does it mean although its a new battery, something is wrong with the electrical circuit? Or does the ABS need re-setting? Or ....
Any advice would be very welcome.
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K11Martin
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Depends what year bike/ABS type you have as the ABS lights work differently.
On mine (see below) when the ignition is switched on, both lights flash, and will stay flashing until I've tapped both brake levers after I've set off.
Alternatively, if I tap both levers before setting off, the warning triangle goes solid and the ABS light still flashes, but they both go off when the bike moves.
If they stay flashing after all of that, the ABS may need resetting.
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Jim
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: ABS |
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yes - it's normal. The ABS has to do a self test - you should also hear a little clunk clunk sound just about the time the lights go out.
If you're out running errands, stopping and starting the bike a lot, you'll draw the battery down to the point that there isn't enough voltage for the ABS to work - although the bike will start just fine. The lights will flash continuously until the battery is charged up enough for the ABS to work - AND - you turn the bike off and restart.
It helps if you add the year and model of your bike to your (as yet non-existent) signature so we know what you're dealing with - some issues are model specific.
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bmwmick
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: K1100LT ABS Lights Flashing ... New Battery Fitted. |
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| Glawseagle wrote: | Hello gentlemen,
As you can see from my previous post(s), I am new to K1100's.
Had a few K100s and a K1200 but not a K1100 until last month.
So my question is about the ABS lights flashing until you set off.
I know that the lights flash continously if the battery is low or has problems, but I have just replaced the battery and the ABS lights now flash until I move off. This didnt happen with the old battery.
Excuse my ignorance, but is this normal?
Does it mean although its a new battery, something is wrong with the electrical circuit? Or does the ABS need re-setting? Or ....
Any advice would be very welcome.
Cheers .... |
Year and last 7 digits of the VIN would be very helpful.
Mick
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Flying Duck
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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When you start the bike, the ABS brain does a system test during initialization. It tests the front and rear modulators, front and rear sensors and the brain itself. It cannot test the sensors until you are moving and the sensors are generating pulses. This is why it keeps flashing until you start moving.
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chopper_harris
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: K1100LT ABS Lights Flashing ... New Battery Fitted. |
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| Glawseagle wrote: | Hello gentlemen,
So my question is about the ABS lights flashing until you set off.
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Here's one I prepared earlier 
http://www.k11og.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=26438&highlight=#26438
ABS I and II behave differently - ABS I = two bean cans, one either side of rear fender, ABS II = discretely hidden unit below seat.
This description is for ABS II, but the main difference is that ABS I bikes use the RHS ABS lamp plus the triangular brake warning lamp.
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Glawseagle
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 3:56 am Post subject: Re: K1100LT ABS Lights Flashing ... New Battery Fitted. |
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| bmwmick wrote: |
Year and last 7 digits of the VIN would be very helpful.
Mick |
Year is 1998 & last 7 digits of the VIN are 0237669.
Thanks for all your help guys .... its reasurring to know a huge amount of information and help is available at your fingertips.
Cheers
Dave
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bmwmick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 8:50 am Post subject: |
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Dave,
Your bike was built 12/1997
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/select.do?vin=0237669&part=&kind=M&series=K11&body=ohne&model=R1100RT&zone=USA&prod=19950800&arch=0
Chopper's description above is how your lamps should act. It appears your ABS is working properly. If you ever get low voltage caused alternately flashing lamps when starting, there is a very easy solution. If you have headlamp relays installed (which I recommend to everyone) you can use the load shed relay to supply the 12V to the ABS test circuit. This prevents the ABS from doing it's voltage test until AFTER the engine starting load is gone.
I did this modification to my son's '94 K11RS a couple of years ago and he has never seen another low voltage fault.
Mick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If you have headlamp relays installed (which I recommend to everyone) you can use the load shed relay to supply the 12V to the ABS test circuit. This prevents the ABS from doing it's voltage test until AFTER the engine starting load is gone. |
How is this done? A tutorial por favor. 
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Scott_Anderson
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 7:42 pm Post subject: |
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The easiest for me is to let the bike warm-up a little bit and then turn it off and restart it. Usually happens on a cold morning when I havn't had the batt tender on.
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bmwmick
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Mystic Red wrote: | | Quote: | | If you have headlamp relays installed (which I recommend to everyone) you can use the load shed relay to supply the 12V to the ABS test circuit. This prevents the ABS from doing it's voltage test until AFTER the engine starting load is gone. |
How is this done? A tutorial por favor. |
I'll write up the details maybe tomorrow.
Mick
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Mystic Red
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe you could add it to one of the stickey's?
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Flying Duck
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| Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Mystic Red wrote: | | Maybe you could add it to one of the stickey's? |
We have way too many stickies as it is IMO. We need to start adding stuff to the tech pages. I get tired of typing answers to the same nOOb questions over and over. I don't blame the nOObs though. We were all nOObs once and had the very same questions.
And even though Jim claims to be a "use the search engine" Nazi he really isn't - he's too laid back for that and could never hold a candle to Brian Curry.
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Mystic Red
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| Quote: | | We have way too many stickies as it is IMO. |
Agreed. I thought, but didn't say, it should be added here:
http://www.k11og.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2110 as a cure for ABS faults.
Just a thought.
On edit, I hope I haven't overstepped my bounds, assuming Mick would do this in the first place. 
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bmwmick
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| Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2008 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Flying Duck wrote: | | Mystic Red wrote: | | Maybe you could add it to one of the stickey's? |
We have way too many stickies as it is IMO. We need to start adding stuff to the tech pages. I get tired of typing answers to the same nOOb questions over and over. I don't blame the nOObs though. We were all nOObs once and had the very same questions.
And even though Jim claims to be a "use the search engine" Nazi he really isn't - he's too laid back for that and could never hold a candle to Brian Curry. |
The problem with that is.....we add stuff for years and all of a sudden it all gets wiped out. It's happened twice now. 
Mick
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| bmwmick wrote: | | Flying Duck wrote: | | Mystic Red wrote: | | Maybe you could add it to one of the stickey's? |
We have way too many stickies as it is IMO. We need to start adding stuff to the tech pages. I get tired of typing answers to the same nOOb questions over and over. I don't blame the nOObs though. We were all nOObs once and had the very same questions.
And even though Jim claims to be a "use the search engine" Nazi he really isn't - he's too laid back for that and could never hold a candle to Brian Curry. |
The problem with that is.....we add stuff for years and all of a sudden it all gets wiped out. It's happened twice now.
Mick |
I've PM'd Ted suggesting we put the sticky tpye stuff on actual web pages like the fork spring page. That way phpBB won't toast it.
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bmwmick
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| Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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DONE!!
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Great!
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bmwmick
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I'm only here to serve, Scott!
Mick
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