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abreeze Flying Brick Rider

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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:05 pm Post subject: Obama Foreign Policy |
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Obama Tried To Stall Iraq Withdrawal
September 15, 2008
By Amir Taheri
NY POST - While campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July.
"He asked why we were not prepared to delay an agreement until after the US elections and the formation of a new administration in Washington," Zebari said in an interview.
Obama insisted that Congress should be involved in negotiations on the status of US troops - and that it was in the interests of both sides not to have an agreement negotiated by the Bush administration in its "state of weakness and political confusion."
"However, as an Iraqi, I prefer to have a security agreement that regulates the activities of foreign troops, rather than keeping the matter open." Zebari says.
Though Obama claims the US presence is "illegal," he suddenly remembered that Americans troops were in Iraq within the legal framework of a UN mandate. His advice was that, rather than reach an accord with the "weakened Bush administration," Iraq should seek an extension of the UN mandate.
While in Iraq, Obama also tried to persuade the US commanders, including Gen. David Petraeus, to suggest a "realistic withdrawal date." They declined.
Obama has made many contradictory statements with regard to Iraq. His latest position is that US combat troops should be out by 2010. Yet his effort to delay an agreement would make that withdrawal deadline impossible to meet.
Supposing he wins, Obama's administration wouldn't be fully operational before February - and naming a new ambassador to Baghdad and forming a new negotiation team might take longer still.
By then, Iraq will be in the throes of its own campaign season. Judging by the past two elections, forming a new coalition government may then take three months. So the Iraqi negotiating team might not be in place until next June.
Then, judging by how long the current talks have taken, restarting the process from scratch would leave the two sides needing at least six months to come up with a draft accord. That puts us at May 2010 for when the draft might be submitted to the Iraqi parliament - which might well need another six months to pass it into law.
Thus, the 2010 deadline fixed by Obama is a meaningless concept, thrown in as a sop to his anti-war base.
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and the Bush administration have a more flexible timetable in mind.
According to Zebari, the envisaged time span is two or three years - departure in 2011 or 2012. That would let Iraq hold its next general election, the third since liberation, and resolve a number of domestic political issues.
Even then, the dates mentioned are only "notional," making the timing and the cadence of withdrawal conditional on realities on the ground as appreciated by both sides.
Iraqi leaders are divided over the US election. Iraqi President Jalal Talabani (whose party is a member of the Socialist International) sees Obama as "a man of the Left" - who, once elected, might change his opposition to Iraq's liberation. Indeed, say Talabani's advisers, a President Obama might be tempted to appropriate the victory that America has already won in Iraq by claiming that his intervention transformed failure into success.
Maliki's advisers have persuaded him that Obama will win - but the prime minister worries about the senator's "political debt to the anti-war lobby" - which is determined to transform Iraq into a disaster to prove that toppling Saddam Hussein was "the biggest strategic blunder in US history."
Other prominent Iraqi leaders, such as Vice President Adel Abdul-Mahdi and Kurdish regional President Massoud Barzani, believe that Sen. John McCain would show "a more realistic approach to Iraqi issues."
Obama has given Iraqis the impression that he doesn't want Iraq to appear anything like a success, let alone a victory, for America. The reason? He fears that the perception of US victory there might revive the Bush Doctrine of "pre-emptive" war - that is, removing a threat before it strikes at America.
Despite some usual equivocations on the subject, Obama rejects pre-emption as a legitimate form of self -defense. To be credible, his foreign-policy philosophy requires Iraq to be seen as a failure, a disaster, a quagmire, a pig with lipstick or any of the other apocalyptic adjectives used by the American defeat industry in the past five years.
Yet Iraq is doing much better than its friends hoped and its enemies feared. The UN mandate will be extended in December, and we may yet get an agreement on the status of forces before President Bush leaves the White House in January.
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owrstrich Flying Brick Rider

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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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i like it...
the messiah talks up one thing to one set of folks...
then the messiah talks up the complete opposite to another set of folks...
then the messiah says he did talk it up or it was a misunderstanding and he keeps moving on to the next one...
i am head over heels for the messiah... i want to have his baby...
johnny _________________ yeeeeeehaaaaaaa... |
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Scott_Anderson Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:18 am Post subject: |
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He doesn't sound any different than any other polititian. Make a satement then a retraction.
" One always knows when a polititian is lying.........
......when his mouth is open."
I don't care for politics. (if you can't tell) _________________ Ride safe.
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:29 am Post subject: |
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He justs wants to make sure McCain gets credit for ending the Iraq War.  _________________ 93 LT (x2)
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abreeze Flying Brick Rider

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I don't care for politics. (if you can't tell) |
Thats the beauty of this country I guess......your opinion matters as much as anyones.
This is interesting because it is illegal to do what has been done. And his campaign has not denied what has been said, as it is well documented. Barrack has managed to be untouchable to this point, but breaking the law(The Logan Act) is another point. |
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Off the grid Chaotic Good

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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Wasn't Palin quoted as saying that she would be willing to go to war with Russia????
That's just pure lunacy. _________________ Bane of your existence since July 2006
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abreeze Flying Brick Rider

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Wasn't Palin quoted as saying that she would be willing to go to war with Russia???? |
Actually, thats not what she said.
She said if Georgia was a member of NATO, NATO would be responsible for protecting the NATO alliance.
Here is the ABC unedited transcript.....
| Quote: | GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn’t we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?
PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you’re going to be expected to be called upon and help.
But NATO, I think, should include Ukraine, definitely, at this point and I think that we need to — especially with new leadership coming in on January 20, being sworn on, on either ticket, we have got to make sure that we strengthen our allies, our ties with each one of those NATO members.
We have got to make sure that that is the group that can be counted upon to defend one another in a very dangerous world today.
GIBSON: And you think it would be worth it to the United States, Georgia is worth it to the United States to go to war if Russia were to invade.
PALIN: What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against. We have got to be cognizant of what the consequences are if a larger power is able to take over smaller democratic countries.
And we have got to be vigilant. We have got to show the support, in this case, for Georgia. The support that we can show is economic sanctions perhaps against Russia, if this is what it leads to.
It doesn’t have to lead to war and it doesn’t have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries.
His mission, if it is to control energy supplies, also, coming from and through Russia, that’s a dangerous position for our world to be in, if we were to allow that to happen |
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Jim Site Admin

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | PALIN: What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against. |
Is this what happened to the good ole US of A? I think it is... _________________ Jim
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Off the grid Chaotic Good

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | PALIN: What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against |
Yeah kind of like how our great country was invaded by special interests and big oil. _________________ Bane of your existence since July 2006
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Scott_Anderson wrote: | He doesn't sound any different than any other polititian. Make a satement then a retraction.
" One always knows when a polititian is lying.........
......when his mouth is open."
I don't care for politics. (if you can't tell) |
And do you know how you punish the bad politicians? Put every politician into a bag and hit it with a stick. _________________ John & Cathy
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Jim Site Admin

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Off the grid wrote: | | Quote: | | PALIN: What I think is that smaller democratic countries that are invaded by a larger power is something for us to be vigilant against |
Yeah kind of like how our great country was invaded by special interests and big oil. |
That's what I meant.... _________________ Jim
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Jim Site Admin

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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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| SugarHillCTD wrote: |
And do you know how you punish the bad politicians? Put every politician into a bag and hit it with a stick. |
Bwahaha! We don't punish them!!! Most of them are bad, very bad. As OTG says, they're sucking the **** of big business (OTG has such a way with words...) - and getting away with it. _________________ Jim
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