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Flying Duck

The engine and most of the parts on my K75 project bike have 24k on them. The speedo I have for it says 100k so I want to roll it back.

I pulled apart and old speedo I have and the only thing I can figure is spinning the wheel 76,000 times. I'm not gonna do that.
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94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
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duckbubbles · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:07 pm Post subject:

Try CAREFULLY snapping the 10,000's digits over the little locks that hold them in place. I think it has to snap over twice for the numbers to line up correctly with the next number.

I had to buy a new speedo for my old K a couple of years ago. I spent a good part of the weekend spinning the wheels to put my original mileage on it. ( I'm kind of proud of the big number) I got tired of that and snapped the 100K number to get there. Just be very careful and maybe practice on an old one first.

Frank
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85 K100/1100RS, 321,000 miles, 25 years
96 Ducati 900SS/SP, sold it
05 R1200ST, 35,000 miles, 5 years
400,000 BMW miles

Flying Duck · Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 8:39 pm Post subject:

Thanks - I've got a practice one I was playing with. I'll play with that some more.
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93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
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K11Martin

chopper_harris · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:04 am Post subject:

This is only illegal when there is deliberate intention to defraud.

You will find that a clocked vehicle invariably has little or no past history.

The new UK annual vehicle test is managed centrally, and all dealers enter the system via a 'VPN' style remote login.
This has cut the number of illegal MOT certificate by 95%.

Duck is acting within the law, and maintining the provenance of an example of one of the worlds great motorcycles.
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Flying Duck · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 10:15 am Post subject:

I also intend to provide full discolsure to the buyer so I can't see how it would be illegal.
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93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
Buy parts HERE

K11Martin · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:39 am Post subject:

Now now, don't misquote me and make me out to be a baddy... Very Happy

I was only asking how the law stands in the states regarding this procedure...I wasn't passing judgement Smile

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Flying Duck · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:47 am Post subject:

I didn't think you were passing judgement.

Yes, it's illegal to mess with odometers in the states but I don't see how that will be an issue for me since I'll be providing full disclosure to the buyer.
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93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
Buy parts HERE

Euripides

Duck: I am not sure it is that simple. I would be concerned that Fed. Law prohibits tampering with the odometer, regardless if the vehicle is sold or given away. Notifying a future buyer is governed by STATE LAW. They are two different things. The only way I would see to possibly protect yourself would be to notify your State Motor Vehicle Registration Dept., IN WRITING, immediately after you reset the odometer. Make sure they annotate that fact on your present vehicle title. That way there would be no appearance to defraud on your part. I am still not sure this would satisfy Fed. Law? - Euripides.

Jim · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: odometer tamering

yeah Drake - I'm going to call the Odometer Enforcement Agency right now - give 'em your address, phone number and the tag number on the bike Laughing

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Jim
1997 K1100LTSE 94,000 - still has gremlins!
1995 R100RT Classic 16,650 crashed - repaired!
1992 K75RTP 46,000

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duckbubbles · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject:

The title and vehicle transfer forms in Texas have a block that you check to indicate that the vehicle mileage shown is original. If it says that it is original and is TRUE, what's the problem.

My K is showing 319,401 miles this instant. That is the total mileage on the bike with the third speedometer, so far. Am I a felon?

If you are doing it to defraud somebody, they ought to bury you under the jail.

Frank
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85 K100/1100RS, 321,000 miles, 25 years
96 Ducati 900SS/SP, sold it
05 R1200ST, 35,000 miles, 5 years
400,000 BMW miles

ljjohns · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 8:55 pm Post subject:

On Texas title transfers, motorcycles have "exempt" in the odometer block.

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject:

I don't see how it would be any different than if he were to buy a brand new ODO and have the mileage rolled UP to match an old broken one. It's still reflective of the mileage of the bike, just a different meter.
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Jim · Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: odometer

Moondog · Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:21 am Post subject:

This is out of the state of connecticut statues. It is ok in the state of connecticut for motorcycles. See section e. On a car it can't be done but ok on a motorcycle. Me personally, if I was to look at a used bike to buy where the odometer had been fiddled with I would require good maintenance records without and gaps. Speedo's break so how else can they be repaired but by changing them. If it happened to me I wouldn't roll the speedo mileage but note it in the maintenance log that the speedo had been changed, note the miles of old and have the receipt to match about the time of the change.

Sec. 14-106b. Properly functioning odometer required. Tampering with odometer prohibited. (a) Each self-propelled motor vehicle registered in this state designed and manufactured with an odometer shall at all times while operating on the highway be equipped with a properly functioning odometer. Any person who violates any provision of this section shall be issued a warning for defective equipment under the provisions of subsection (c) of section 14-103.

(b) No person or his agent shall remove, turn back or change the reading on the odometer of any motor vehicle required under the provisions of subsection (a) of this section or subsection (a) of section 14-106a to be equipped with an odometer except in connection with the repair of such odometer either while installed in or removed from such motor vehicle and unless such person is licensed as a new dealer, used dealer or general or limited repairer pursuant to section 14-52. Each odometer repaired and each new or used odometer installed in any motor vehicle required to be equipped with an odometer shall display mileage at least equal to the mileage displayed by the odometer in such motor vehicle immediately prior to such repair or replacement.
(c) No person shall sell, offer for sale, use, install or cause to be installed any device which causes the odometer in any motor vehicle required under the provisions of subsection (a) of this section or subsection (a) of section 14-106a to be so equipped to register any mileage other than the true mileage driven. For purposes of this section, the true mileage driven is that mileage driven by the vehicle as registered by the odometer within the manufacturer's designed tolerance.

(d) Any person violating the provisions of subsections (b) or (c) of this section shall be guilty of committing a class A misdemeanor. Any person violating the provisions of said subsections shall be liable for damages equal to three times the amount of actual damage or one thousand five hundred dollars, whichever is greater, court costs and reasonable attorney's fees and shall pay a civil penalty of not more than one thousand dollars for each violation. A violation of the provisions of said subsections shall be deemed to be an unfair trade practice within the provisions of chapter 735a. Any person licensed as a new dealer, used dealer or general or limited repairer pursuant to section 14-52 shall in addition to the penalties imposed by this section be subject to the suspension or revocation of his license as provided in section 14-64.

(e) The provisions of this section and section 14-145 shall not apply to motorcycles as defined by section 14-1.
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Flying Duck · Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:09 am Post subject:

In Washington, vehciles over ten years old do not require mileage at title transfer time.

Also, if I provide full disclosure at the time of sale, why would any prosecuter bother to come after me?
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93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
Buy parts HERE

acftfliehr · Big Brick Rider Joined: 05 Nov 2007 Posts: 62

Ya' all are talking like a bunch of Hog riders, where lots of bar seat time and low bike miles are a badge of honor..... Twisted Evil

Hi milage is a BMW motorcycle riders only badge of pride...

Euripides · Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 2:06 pm Post subject:

Dear Drake: Kindly be advised that you may be making the hazardous assumption that legal prosecuters, attorneys and judges use common sence and are reasonable. Unfortunately, that can be a mistake. The legal professionals are are paid to litigate (prosecute and defend) cases. Prosecuters generally prosecute and judges interpret exactly what the applicable law states and their use of commonsence is a secondary issue. However, since your state has a ten year old vehicle exemption provision and if your bike is older than ten years, you would be excluded from the odometer law. Note: This is MARGINAL legal advice and is only my opinion. - Euripides