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Ernie-NH

Hello all....

Well.. I thought we had a sticky on "how to" lube the rear splines of the drive shaft, BUT if its there its well hidden. Is there a step by step "how to" for this procedure ?? IBMWR has an article on this but the bike is a K75 and not a K1100... also they explain the "Anton L. " method which is quick and easy, but is not for a K1100 (exactly ), in fact it is the same method I use on my 'ol R100/7... SO, is there a Guide to this procedure here on our forum or elsewhere that anyone might know of ??

Best regards..........// Ernie in NH
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SugarHillCTD · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject:

Ernie,

Remember last weekend when I asked you about driveshaft removal and inspection?

Well I have searched the OG forum and have come up empty- not that I searched in the correct direction.

Anyway, tomorrow morning I will do a complete R & R on the driveshaft which will (obviously) include a shaft spline lube. I will do pictures and document what I can.

Remember my open offer to use my Titan MC lift at any time. It really helps with rear drive, transmission and clutch work. No more on your knees stuff.

Stay in touch- we are apparently becoming a rare breed here in NH. Sad

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'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
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Ernie-NH · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:15 pm Post subject:

Hi John....

Thanks for the invitation, IF I were not anxiously awaiting news of my newest grandchild's arrival in Portland, and preparing for the rush over to Maine, I would ride up and help in the process.. How are you going to proceed ?? Just 'wing it' ????? I am really surprised, given the frequency with which the 'rear spline' must be lubed, and the sheer number of K11's we have here, that there is NOT a sticky already in existence..

Have fun, take pics, wish I could be there to help out !!

Good luck...........// Ernie in NH
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SugarHillCTD · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 8:26 pm Post subject:

Ernie,

Forgot about the impending delivery. Best for the entire family.

See you SOON!

John
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'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

Ernie-NH · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject:

Hi John....

Re" "" we are apparently becoming a rare breed here in NH. ""

.... please explain when you get a moment !

Good luck tomorrow,.....// Ernie
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'95 K1100LT
'76 R100/7

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 10:39 pm Post subject:

Ernie, rear splines of your drive shaft really don't need much lube as the drive shaft yoke snaps onto a circlip, so there is no sliding. Same thing up at the transmission end of the drive shaft, snaps onto a circlip, so no sliding.
The only point on your paralever shaft that slides is the middle spline where the drive shaft halves meet.

The only bikes that have the "rear drive shaft spline lube" issues are the mono-lever bikes.
I believe those to be the k75's and k100 2v's.
I could be wrong but I didn't think any of the k1100's had a mono-lever drive line, but the para-lever drive line.
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1997 R1100RT ZC62149(sold)

Ernie-NH · Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject:

Hi Scott....

Re:""The only point on your paralever shaft that slides is the middle spline where the drive shaft halves meet. "" .... I guess I dont know how this assembly is put together... does not the drive shaft have to be detached from the transmission output and extracted ( from the rear ) to lube the trunnions... and despite the 'non sliding' dont both the transmission output shaft splines as well as the final drive input stub-shaft splines have to be lubed to prevent wear ?? Guess, someone has got to take us to 'school' on this assembly..!! I'm wont be going any further until I know how it functions..

Thanks...........// Ernie in NH
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'76 R100/7

Sonu · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:31 am Post subject:

SugarHillCTD · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 5:25 am Post subject:

Ernie

"we are becoming a rare breed" Read here Crying or Very sad

http://k11og.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10604

Sonu- will get pictures- just can't expect the volume and quality that comes from Gwen and Steve's garage!
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'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
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SugarHillCTD · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 7:50 am Post subject:

Preliminary exam (pictures to follow)

The front "U" joint has some play. Very slight, but noticeable when compared to the rear joint.

Could it run another 2,000 or 5,000 miles? Probably. But in the back of my head I see the HL II pictures of Steve Donlan's brick being shoved up the rental truck ramp Shocked

Guess I have some internet shopping to do $ Crying or Very sad

$ "cry:

Where is that "pennies to maintain" guy now, huh? Rolling Eyes

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'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

miKeinWIs · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:06 am Post subject:

Ernie,
I've been contemplating this for winter but finding too much conflicting info. Always seems to be gaps in the photos. As Scott says, very little sliding at the joints. For me, the issue is removal/replacement of the pivot pins--getting those back in and set properly. And my left side pivot pin doesn't have a lock nut as everyone talks about. Right side does, but not the left. So I too am waiting...
Here are some "help" threads :
http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=23060&highlight=pivot+bearings

The rubber chicken bushing upgrade - R-bike but paralever
http://rvbprecision.com/motorcycles/bmw-pivot-bearing-replacement.html

And to add more confusion, this needle vs bushing thread:
http://www.bmwmoa.org/forum/showthread.php?t=54035

Good luck
Mike
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Scott_Anderson · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:25 am Post subject:

Mike, the left side pivot does not have a locking nut.
The left side is toruqed and fixed, the right side is then adjusted and then locked with the locking nut.
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1995 K1100LT 0302044
2017 FLHTK Ultra Limited
Garmin StreetPilot 2820
Garmin Zumo 550
Garmin Zumo XT
"One who does not ask questions is ashamed to learn" Danish proverb
1997 K1100LT 0302488(R.I.P.)
1997 R1100RT ZC62149(sold)

Scott_Anderson · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 8:31 am Post subject:

Ernie-NH · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:33 am Post subject:

Good morning Scott...

Yes... I see that now, thank you. So the only thing holding the final drive and the 'para-lever' mechanically together are (1) the two cross-axial pins, (2) the lower shock mount, and (3) the torque arm....correct ? Once the Final Drive is removed, can one move to the "transmission output" side, remove the "yoke cir-clips' and then simply withdraw the "upper drive shaft" from the rear of the 'para-lever' ?? Is that how it is done ?? Since the "splines" are basically static, do the trunnions and bearings within the yokes require disassembly and lubing?? Are there in fact any bearings at the yoke assembly that require periodic attention or is everything sealed ???

Sorry to be such a PIA on this, but I have yet to pay any maintenance attention to the drive from the transmission back ... so any advice for both me and John ( aka SurgarHill ) is most appreciated. The reason am paying attention at this time, is because when I have the bike on the center-stand and engage 1st gear at idle, I "hear" random mechanical noises and minor 'thumps' seemingly coming from within the para-lever. I cannot REALLY hear these as you know because I am deaf, BUT I have an electronic 'stethoscope' thats translates what it actually hears into 'beeps' within my hearing device. It may be nothing at all, but my wife described these "sounds" as 'bumps and thumps'..so I thought I'd take a look! In my opinion it should not be making any worrysome sounds...what do you think ?

Thanks and best regards..........// Ernie in NH
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SugarHillCTD · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 9:36 am Post subject:

Mike and Scott,

Think there is some confusion here.

Where the swingarm connects to the frame the RIGHT side pivot is fixed and the LEFT side is adjustable with a locking nut.

Where the final drive attaches to the swingarm, the LEFT side pivot is fixed and the RIGHT side is adjustable with a locking nut.

BTW, just talked to THE parts guy at MaxBMW, Rusty Gill. He did a phone diagnosis of my driveshaft and suggests that since it has very little play and neither joint is "notchy" that I should be good until the end of the season.
Then he suggested that I contact Bruno in Canada and send it to him during the winter to be rebuilt.
Max does not have a new one and Rusty really thinks that isn't the way to go. Very Happy

That's the second time he has saved me $$.
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'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

miKeinWIs · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:50 am Post subject:

Thanks Scott and John
Ya, I are confused. Pics I've seen are a bit muddled. Too much info.
Will take more thinking to work up the courage. The big spline lube is coming so going to wait. Everything seems pretty solid, but I am always worrying........
Not knowing the real history I thought a lube would be in order. But then the speed sensor wouldn't budge (maybe never renoved) so stopped to rethink. Does it just pull up out of the FD after removing screw?

Thanks
Mike
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SugarHillCTD · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 12:13 pm Post subject:

Yes, it pulls straight up out of the round hole in the FD. But most times some very fine grit works its way down in between the sensor and the FD housing making it difficult to remove.

FIRST, before you attempt to remove, it clean around the sensor, especially behind it. Lots of crud builds up there and some will end up inside the FD when you pull the sensor out if you don't clean there first.

Then remove the screw and take a small screwdriver and lightly wedge it under the front then the back of the sensor- go back and forth between the front and back and gently work the sensor out.

BTW, I drain the FD oil AFTER I pull the sensor so that hopefully anything that does get into the oil will be carried away when I drain it.

IMPORTANT!!! ALWAYS make sure that the oil filler plug can be loosened before removing the drain plug at the bottom. If you can't loosen the fill plug, it will be impossible to refill after you dump the FD oil.

Pictures of the entire driveshaft R&R will be posted ASAP.
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John & Cathy

'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

SugarHillCTD · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:01 pm Post subject:

Finished my first extended tech write up on a driveshaft removal and reinstall.

Here it is:

http://k11og.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=77290#77290

Comments?
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'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
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Mystic Red · Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2011 10:40 pm Post subject:

Nice write up. Thanks.
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SugarHillCTD · Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:29 am Post subject:

Thanks. It's my first attempt at doing a step by step WITH pictures.

I have to give Gwen lots of credit for doing such a good job on her techs.

Taking many pictures while doing a procedure for the first time is a juggling act for sure.

As I do other R&R (several on the list for this coming winter) I will try to compile more Techs "for newbies"
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'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.