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Mystic Red Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2330 Location: Twin Lakes Idaho
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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I tried to get the fan diagnostics to run today (just out of boredom), post 1 grounded for 10 seconds, but couldn't get it to run. So I tried post 1 to ground for 5 seconds and 1133 kept coming up although it cleared. I kept repeating with the same results. Am I doing something wrong? _________________ Scott Hespelt, '94 K11LT
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bmwmick Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 07 Jun 2003 Posts: 907 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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Mystic Red wrote: | I tried to get the fan diagnostics to run today (just out of boredom), post 1 grounded for 10 seconds, but couldn't get it to run. So I tried post 1 to ground for 5 seconds and 1133 kept coming up although it cleared. I kept repeating with the same results. Am I doing something wrong? |
Nope,
As John pointed out above, it appears the fan test only works on MA 2.1 bikes.
Mick _________________ Mick McKinnon
KOG#175
'93 K1100LT, '96 R1100RT, '84 R100RS, 2010 Kawasaki C-14
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Mystic Red Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2330 Location: Twin Lakes Idaho
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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Indulge my ignorance again then, please. Am I to assume that I will only get the 1133 code unless there is another problem? And that I will not get the 4444 code to come up unless I've found an error code and corrected the problem? _________________ Scott Hespelt, '94 K11LT
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bmwmick Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 07 Jun 2003 Posts: 907 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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Scott,
That is correct. Once all the faults have been resolved, the 4444 will
display. I had the 1133 on my '93 when I first read-out the faults. I left the sidestand down and cranked the engine for 3 seconds or so and the next time I read the codes, I got 4444. I could not recreated the 1133 error after that.
The MA 2.2 bikes are wired a little different and you cannot crank the engine with the sidestand down (if I remember correctly). I would think an engine start and then stop would clear the 1133 code.
Mick _________________ Mick McKinnon
KOG#175
'93 K1100LT, '96 R1100RT, '84 R100RS, 2010 Kawasaki C-14
Tucson, AZ |
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Mystic Red Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2330 Location: Twin Lakes Idaho
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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Mick, I just turned the kill switch to off and cranked and it cleared but I didn't get the 4444. I'll play with it again and see what happens but it seemed to always give me the 1133 when I grounded #1 pin. _________________ Scott Hespelt, '94 K11LT
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bmwmick Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 07 Jun 2003 Posts: 907 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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Mystic Red wrote: | Mick, I just turned the kill switch to off and cranked and it cleared but I didn't get the 4444. I'll play with it again and see what happens but it seemed to always give me the 1133 when I grounded #1 pin. |
So you cranked it with the kill switch off, then immediately put the ground on pin #1 for 5 seconds and you got what..........? 1133? Don't turn the ignition off between cranking to get rid of the 1133 and putting the ground jumper on pint #1 for 5 seconds.
Mick _________________ Mick McKinnon
KOG#175
'93 K1100LT, '96 R1100RT, '84 R100RS, 2010 Kawasaki C-14
Tucson, AZ |
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Mystic Red Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 28 Mar 2005 Posts: 2330 Location: Twin Lakes Idaho
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Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:34 am Post subject: |
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Aha!! I'll try that formula. Thanks for your reply Mick. Can't remember how I was doing it but I'll pay much closer attention now. _________________ Scott Hespelt, '94 K11LT
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estestest
Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 4
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:32 am Post subject: |
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Hi, Mick
very interesting reading! Congratulations!
Can I post a translated version of your topic on this Italian bmw forum?
www.quellidellelica.com
It is an Italian speaking forum, but you are welcome if you want to subscribe.
Many thanks
Emanuele _________________ '96 k 1100lt se Grey
'91 k 100 rs 16v Black
'83 r 45 White |
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bmwmick Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 07 Jun 2003 Posts: 907 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Emanuele,
Yes, feel free to post it as long as it includes all the links.
Mick _________________ Mick McKinnon
KOG#175
'93 K1100LT, '96 R1100RT, '84 R100RS, 2010 Kawasaki C-14
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estestest
Joined: 25 Jan 2006 Posts: 4
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Posted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:29 am Post subject: |
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bmwmick wrote: | Emanuele,
Yes, feel free to post it as long as it includes all the links.
Mick |
Thank you Mick. Your text has been really appreciated!
Here is the link:
http://www.quellidellelica.com/vbforum/showthread.php5?t=70891 _________________ '96 k 1100lt se Grey
'91 k 100 rs 16v Black
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Sugar Oz Brick Rider
Joined: 10 Apr 2003 Posts: 254 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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It appears that on the Motronics 2.2 you need to have the sidestand up to get any readings.
Can anyone else prove this? _________________ Regards,
John
KOG#57
Ulysses#36185
'96 K1100LT-SE
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bmwmick Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 07 Jun 2003 Posts: 907 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Sugar wrote: | It appears that on the Motronics 2.2 you need to have the sidestand up to get any readings.
Can anyone else prove this? |
That is correct. 12V for the Motronic Relay is via the sidestand interlock switch.
Mick _________________ Mick McKinnon
KOG#175
'93 K1100LT, '96 R1100RT, '84 R100RS, 2010 Kawasaki C-14
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Sugar Oz Brick Rider
Joined: 10 Apr 2003 Posts: 254 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:37 am Post subject: |
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Fan Test works on Motronics 2.2
1. Ignition must be OFF
2. Ground Pin 1
3. Turn ignition ON
4. Count to ten (1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi,...........)
5. Unground Pin 1
6. Fan will intermittently run until ignition is turned off
For those of you wanting to make a cheap and easy 'BMW Test Box' http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j83/kal64/BMWTestBox.jpg
If you have any hassles, drop me an email or post here.
Mick, feel free to add the bit at the top to the list. _________________ Regards,
John
KOG#57
Ulysses#36185
'96 K1100LT-SE
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bmwmick Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 07 Jun 2003 Posts: 907 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:53 am Post subject: |
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John,
I added your 2.2 Fan Test comments.
Mick _________________ Mick McKinnon
KOG#175
'93 K1100LT, '96 R1100RT, '84 R100RS, 2010 Kawasaki C-14
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Mick Bailey
Joined: 07 Aug 2006 Posts: 17
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Posted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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Does anyone have the pin-outs to the Motronic fitted to a '94 K1100RS? The F Warner Motronics diagnostic link (showing motron_connector.gif) gives different pin-outs to my own bike. I don't actually know which version is fitted to this machine - there are quite a few numbers on the label, but none make any sense.
Using that particular drawing as a reference, my connector only has pins fitted to 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,12,13,14,15,19,20,21,23,24,26,27,28,29,31,31,33. This makes the checks described impossible to perform.
I need to check out why my bike is running rich. I took it to the garage today to get the CO checked. The readings were so unstable that I couldn't get a definitive reading. For a very brief second it showed 1.5% and then went straight up to 6%. The best I could get was in the 3-4% range. The CO screw had very little effect and regardless of which way it was turned the CO could go up or down, with no correlation to the actual screw position. UK bike, BTW. |
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nobu
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 23 Location: Japan
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:43 am Post subject: Code Fault 1111 |
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I made diagnosis box for Motronic. Today, I checked for Motronic on my K1100LT. But I encoutered the following code.
Quote: | 1111 CO potentiometer not detected with Oxygen sensor disconnected |
I guess that...
"CO potentiometer does not work" or "Each connector has loose connection" Is this correct ? Any comment?
My K1100LT ('92) is Non-Catalyser model.
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BMW K1100LT `92
SUZUKI Vecster 125
YAMAHA TDR80
Renault Kangoo
TOKYO JAPAN
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bmwmick Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 07 Jun 2003 Posts: 907 Location: Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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If you have a NON-CAT model, you should have the CO potentiometer connected. You can disconnect it and check the resistance of the pot.
Mick _________________ Mick McKinnon
KOG#175
'93 K1100LT, '96 R1100RT, '84 R100RS, 2010 Kawasaki C-14
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nobu
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 23 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:39 am Post subject: Thanks!! The LED said [4444] |
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bmwmick wrote: | You can disconnect it and check the resistance of the pot. |
Today, I have checked the resistant of the pot. Then I found it out the pot does not work fine.
Each value is as follows.
A-C 1.051K ohm / A-B 1.051K ohm / B-C 0.002 ohm
I deduced that pot has loose connection. And I tried turn and re-turn pot. After do that, the digital multi-meter shows correct value A-B 640 ohm and B-C 409 ohm. I hope these values is non problem. _________________ ------------------------------
BMW K1100LT `92
SUZUKI Vecster 125
YAMAHA TDR80
Renault Kangoo
TOKYO JAPAN
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Sugar Oz Brick Rider
Joined: 10 Apr 2003 Posts: 254 Location: Sydney Australia
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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It appears that B & C are shorted together.
Try rotating the pot to one end, take your readings, then rotate the pot fully to the other end and do your readings again.
Effectively the total resistance should be seen across A-C.
(in this case 1.051K)
B will return a reading proportional to how far it has travelled between A & C. (EG, if the pot was set so that B was about half way thru it's travel, you would expect approx 500 Ohms between B and the either A or C.
Obviously if B is wound to one extreme or the other, you would expect zero Ohms, or there abouts Between B one of the others and the total resistance between B and the other. _________________ Regards,
John
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Ulysses#36185
'96 K1100LT-SE
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rover759 Big Brick Rider
Joined: 30 Jul 2007 Posts: 68 Location: Houghton Regis,UK
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