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Mystic Red
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I tried to get the fan diagnostics to run today (just out of boredom), post 1 grounded for 10 seconds, but couldn't get it to run. So I tried post 1 to ground for 5 seconds and 1133 kept coming up although it cleared. I kept repeating with the same results. Am I doing something wrong? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic Red wrote:
I tried to get the fan diagnostics to run today (just out of boredom), post 1 grounded for 10 seconds, but couldn't get it to run. So I tried post 1 to ground for 5 seconds and 1133 kept coming up although it cleared. I kept repeating with the same results. Am I doing something wrong? Rolling Eyes


Nope,
As John pointed out above, it appears the fan test only works on MA 2.1 bikes.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indulge my ignorance again then, please. Am I to assume that I will only get the 1133 code unless there is another problem? And that I will not get the 4444 code to come up unless I've found an error code and corrected the problem? Confused
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott,
That is correct. Once all the faults have been resolved, the 4444 will
display. I had the 1133 on my '93 when I first read-out the faults. I left the sidestand down and cranked the engine for 3 seconds or so and the next time I read the codes, I got 4444. I could not recreated the 1133 error after that.
The MA 2.2 bikes are wired a little different and you cannot crank the engine with the sidestand down (if I remember correctly). I would think an engine start and then stop would clear the 1133 code.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mick, I just turned the kill switch to off and cranked and it cleared but I didn't get the 4444. I'll play with it again and see what happens but it seemed to always give me the 1133 when I grounded #1 pin.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mystic Red wrote:
Mick, I just turned the kill switch to off and cranked and it cleared but I didn't get the 4444. I'll play with it again and see what happens but it seemed to always give me the 1133 when I grounded #1 pin.


So you cranked it with the kill switch off, then immediately put the ground on pin #1 for 5 seconds and you got what..........? 1133? Don't turn the ignition off between cranking to get rid of the 1133 and putting the ground jumper on pint #1 for 5 seconds.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aha!! I'll try that formula. Thanks for your reply Mick. Can't remember how I was doing it but I'll pay much closer attention now. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Mick

very interesting reading! Congratulations!

Can I post a translated version of your topic on this Italian bmw forum?
www.quellidellelica.com

It is an Italian speaking forum, but you are welcome if you want to subscribe.

Many thanks

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PostPosted: Tue May 09, 2006 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Emanuele,
Yes, feel free to post it as long as it includes all the links.

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PostPosted: Wed May 10, 2006 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bmwmick wrote:
Emanuele,
Yes, feel free to post it as long as it includes all the links.

Mick


Thank you Mick. Your text has been really appreciated!
Here is the link:
http://www.quellidellelica.com/vbforum/showthread.php5?t=70891
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears that on the Motronics 2.2 you need to have the sidestand up to get any readings.

Can anyone else prove this?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sugar wrote:
It appears that on the Motronics 2.2 you need to have the sidestand up to get any readings.

Can anyone else prove this?


That is correct. 12V for the Motronic Relay is via the sidestand interlock switch.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 2:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fan Test works on Motronics 2.2

1. Ignition must be OFF
2. Ground Pin 1
3. Turn ignition ON
4. Count to ten (1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi,...........)
5. Unground Pin 1
6. Fan will intermittently run until ignition is turned off





For those of you wanting to make a cheap and easy 'BMW Test Box' http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j83/kal64/BMWTestBox.jpg

If you have any hassles, drop me an email or post here.



Mick, feel free to add the bit at the top to the list.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

John,
I added your 2.2 Fan Test comments.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have the pin-outs to the Motronic fitted to a '94 K1100RS? The F Warner Motronics diagnostic link (showing motron_connector.gif) gives different pin-outs to my own bike. I don't actually know which version is fitted to this machine - there are quite a few numbers on the label, but none make any sense.

Using that particular drawing as a reference, my connector only has pins fitted to 1,2,3,6,7,8,9,12,13,14,15,19,20,21,23,24,26,27,28,29,31,31,33. This makes the checks described impossible to perform.

I need to check out why my bike is running rich. I took it to the garage today to get the CO checked. The readings were so unstable that I couldn't get a definitive reading. For a very brief second it showed 1.5% and then went straight up to 6%. The best I could get was in the 3-4% range. The CO screw had very little effect and regardless of which way it was turned the CO could go up or down, with no correlation to the actual screw position. UK bike, BTW.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 10:43 am    Post subject: Code Fault 1111 Reply with quote

I made diagnosis box for Motronic. Today, I checked for Motronic on my K1100LT. But I encoutered the following code. Sad
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1111 CO potentiometer not detected with Oxygen sensor disconnected

I guess that...
"CO potentiometer does not work" or "Each connector has loose connection" Is this correct ? Any comment?
My K1100LT ('92) is Non-Catalyser model.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a NON-CAT model, you should have the CO potentiometer connected. You can disconnect it and check the resistance of the pot.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 7:39 am    Post subject: Thanks!! The LED said [4444] Reply with quote

bmwmick wrote:
You can disconnect it and check the resistance of the pot.


Today, I have checked the resistant of the pot. Then I found it out the pot does not work fine.

Each value is as follows.
A-C 1.051K ohm / A-B 1.051K ohm / B-C 0.002 ohm



I deduced that pot has loose connection. And I tried turn and re-turn pot. After do that, the digital multi-meter shows correct value A-B 640 ohm and B-C 409 ohm. I hope these values is non problem.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears that B & C are shorted together.

Try rotating the pot to one end, take your readings, then rotate the pot fully to the other end and do your readings again.

Effectively the total resistance should be seen across A-C.
(in this case 1.051K)

B will return a reading proportional to how far it has travelled between A & C. (EG, if the pot was set so that B was about half way thru it's travel, you would expect approx 500 Ohms between B and the either A or C.

Obviously if B is wound to one extreme or the other, you would expect zero Ohms, or there abouts Between B one of the others and the total resistance between B and the other.
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guys and gals
I bought one of these and they work just fine!

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