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Tukota



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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:07 pm    Post subject: Advice needed- First time buyer Reply with quote

I'm new to K bikes and looking at buying a 96' K1100RS

Is there anything specific that I should check during the inspection on this model? The seller has also sent a video of the bike here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGSf3-fRRmo and I'm also curious of what the engine typically sounds like and what you guys think.

There is a small crack in the fairing, the heated grips don't work, and the seat is in rough condition but mechanically is there anything I should be expecting to replace or have checked?

Any advice is appreciated! Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Happy New Year and Welcome.

Here's a link that is a very good read with the very information you are looking for.

http://www.verrill.com/moto/kbikebuyingguide.shtml

Written by this forum's owner Ted.
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Don Sproule
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where in Canada are you and where in California is the bike? It may not be worth the trip/freight.

Don
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Tukota



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Scott (and Ted), that does answer a lot of my questions and is a great resource!


Don Sproule wrote:
Where in Canada are you and where in California is the bike? It may not be worth the trip/freight.

Don


Hi Don, the bike is in the SF bay area and I am in Calgary, AB. The bike is a fair price and I have a quote for shipping that is about 1000$ USD.

I've been scanning craigslist and kijiji here in Canada for K1100's or 16v k100's for the last 4-5 months. The western US has a much greater selection and bikes posted in the US seem to be a lot more reasonably priced even once 1k is factored for shipping and the exchange rate.

I originally planned on doing a fly and ride but there is obviously a big risk in flying down then riding 1300 miles on a bike I have limited knowledge of. Plus my plane ticket + fuel + time would be a comparable cost.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would there be any customs/duty issues trying to ride an un-plated/registered bike across the border?

Never tried, throwing the question out there.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott_Anderson wrote:
Would there be any customs/duty issues trying to ride an un-plated/registered bike across the border?

Never tried, throwing the question out there.


It has been relatively straight forward , I know several people who have bought vehicles in the US..You could send your info to the customs and the boarder crossing your using ahead of time, so they can do a search of title to make sure it's clean before you can bring it across. But I had heard that regulations were changing and buyers have to go through a broker,,haven't checked for myself,,,
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just as a side story, I am in the USA and ride a Canadian spec K100RS. Just the opposite of the RS you are looking at.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hosehoundfr86 wrote:
It has been relatively straight forward... ...But I had heard that regulations were changing and buyers have to go through a broker,,haven't checked for myself,,,


I'm not sure if it's mandatory but this government website seems to imply it is not mandatory so long as you're riding it and not having it shipped: http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/services/cb-cd/menu-eng.html
it references section 32 of the customs act found here http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-52.6/page-18.html#docCont but I'm no expert so don't take my word for it.


That's a beautiful bike SugarHill, where abouts in Canada did you find it?




The plot also thickens surrounding the purchase. The bike received an inspection from a local shop and it seems to run great but the mechanic identified two leaks.

One is in the front of the engine and the mechanic associated it with the bike not being run very often and oil not circulating. The other however is on the bottom of the engine on the seal where the engine and gearbox mate, the clutch is not slipping tho from oil leaking.

I'm much more concerned about the second, I expect to do a lot of the maintenance myself and understand this is a common issue but how serious is it typically? The bike is low miles and the ohlins shock is a nice feature that saves me from splurging myself but should I walk away? I need to make a decision by tomorrow afternoon, any input is welcome!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am quite certain the rear leak is the o ring on the output shaft.
A major pain in the ass to replace as you have to tear the whole back half off of the bike. While your at it, might as well replace rear main engine seal, check front transmission seal, clutch arm boot, u joints/drive shaft etc. If you are able to do it yourself, it's a big job. If you take it to a shop, likely a couple of grand before they're done.
Hopefully, no oil hit the clutch plate. That's a couple hundred by itself.
Common problem on these bikes.
Front leak could be water/oil pump seal and maybe shaft.
Can be pretty pricey too. Another common problem.
Low mileage isn't always a good thing on these bikes.
Do some searching through the threads on this forum to get an idea what you're likely up against.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

+1 to what Don said about the leaks.

If you are truly intending on doing your own maintenance work, I wouldn't let those two "very common" leaks sway you from walking away from an otherwise good bike.

Realistically the leaks are strictly due to the effects of age on rubber. Even today the "newest" K bike is 18 years old. You will be hard pressed to find ANY bike as old or older that doesn't need some age related maintenance.
Plan ahead and budget to replace all of the remaining rubber bits-- o-rings, fuel hoses, t-b boots, coolant hoses, fuel pump damper, etc........

I've had to do the clutch nut o-ring on both of my bikes, and they are around the same age as the one you are looking at. The rear leak(strictly quantity) can be exasperated by having the oil level above the center line of the sight glass.

Don't be afraid of it. Once you get all the rubber up to date, it will be one good ride.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tukota wrote:
That's a beautiful bike SugarHill, where abouts in Canada did you find it?


I actually bought it at MaxBMW NY. The speedometer is in kilometers only.


I agree with what others have said. Once you get comfortable with wrenching on a K1100, it is pretty easy to pull it apart and put it back together.

I can't think of anything on a K bike that at least one of our members hasn't repaired. The K11OG is a great source of info.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check whether the provincial government allows (or not) the importation of motorcycles which have been branded salvage in their life. Can't claim for Alberta but Ontario provincial government will not allow a motorcycle previously branded salvage in the US to obtain a road worthy certificate in Ontario. That means, that particular VIN can never ever be registered for use on the public roads (but ok as a track bike). The US has different laws and a salvage vehicle down there can be repaired, safetied and returned to no brand.

Also make sure title is intact. There's crazy stuff that goes on with titling in the USA.
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Tukota



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you everyone for your input! My offer has been accepted and we are just in the midst of finalizing payment, I'm sure I'll be reading and maybe posting a lot more on here soon as I get started with the maintenance!

Also an update; I've spent a lot of time today speaking to both customs agencies on paying the sales tax without being present and without using a broker (or friend who is your representative) and it is not possible. They did answer the question from earlier about if a broker is required and they definitely are not. The Canadian side requires only the Bill of Sale and payment for the GST or HST if your home provinces charges that. The US side seems to need the original copy of the title plus two photocopies preferably with the front and back. There is no duty provided the first number of the Vin is 1,2,3,4 or 5 meaning it was manufactured in North America.


rbm wrote:
Check whether the provincial government allows (or not) the importation of motorcycles which have been branded salvage in their life. Can't claim for Alberta but Ontario provincial government will not allow a motorcycle previously branded salvage in the US to obtain a road worthy certificate in Ontario.
Also make sure title is intact. There's crazy stuff that goes on with titling in the USA.


Thanks rbm but I don't intend on buying any previously salvaged bikes and have done an advanced title check to make sure this is not the case. As far as if this affects Alberta I think it may, because it would not meet transport Canada's safety standard so it likely would be the same situation nationally. Here is the CBSA link to the law and it does outline how different types of salvages are treated. Ironically "total loss" is the best label
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/dm-md/d19/d19-12-1-eng.html
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is no duty provided the first number of the Vin is 1,2,3,4 or 5 meaning it was manufactured in North America.


Not to state the obvious, but.... these bikes were manufactured in Germany for "North America Market" and shipped to the U.S. for sale.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scott_Anderson wrote:
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There is no duty provided the first number of the Vin is 1,2,3,4 or 5 meaning it was manufactured in North America.


Not to state the obvious, but.... these bikes were manufactured in Germany for "North America Market" and shipped to the U.S. for sale.


Haha of course, I'm not sure if there is a semantic difference between assembled, built, produced, and manufactured but the documents on the Canadian Border Services website all state this feature on the Vin indicate they "are manufactured in North America" whatever that means (if it's not a typo). http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5048-eng.html#s5
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little late to this party, but, I found this video on Youtube of Chris Harris doing an evaluation on a 1996 K1100LT. While it's not an RS the general things he's looking at, and mentioning, would probably carry over to the RS. Hope this helps.

http://youtu.be/9qlukIM-PGM
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, Chris Harris. Met him a few times. Really knows older K bikes plus air and oil heads.

Funny guy and his "colorful" language could embarrass a drill sargeant.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kltk1 wrote:
A little late to this party, but, I found this video on Youtube of Chris Harris doing an evaluation on a 1996 K1100LT. While it's not an RS the general things he's looking at, and mentioning, would probably carry over to the RS. Hope this helps.

http://youtu.be/9qlukIM-PGM


Thanks kltk1, looks like the bike has some similar leaks and I'm sure a lot carries over on things I should double check myself.
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