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PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2016 10:44 pm    Post subject: Losing Oil Reply with quote

I just took my bike out of storage and started riding it on Monday. I've put on roughly 50 miles and have lost about a liter of oil. Today I rode 20 miles and had to put in half a liter. I can't see any leaks and I know it's not burning it. Coolant is clean.
Please help!
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 2:59 am    Post subject: Oil use Reply with quote

I am on my 3rd K1100LT now and all the previous bikes used oil to some degree, but not as much as this. My two previous bikes never smoked even when very hot so where your oil is going is open to debate.

My current K1100 was a baby with less than 18K miles on when I bought it and this has been the only one where the consumption can be considered to be anywhere near 'normal'. I manage about 4000 miles per litre.

How old is your bike? How many miles has it done? What grade of oil are you using, BMW specify that 20/50 mineral is used, not some of these water thin semi or fully synthetic concoctions. If BMW have gone to the time, effort and money to test the oils then they will or should know what's best.

How long has the bike been in storage? The only possibility I can think of is the oil seals on the valve stems have gone hard with lack of use.
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When was the last oil change? How many miles since then?
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PostPosted: Thu May 05, 2016 11:11 pm    Post subject: Losing Oil Reply with quote

Hi Maxx,

It helps if you enter the year and approximate mileage of your bike in your signature.

We're assuming a K1100 - either LT or RS. These bikes hide oil - somewhere, somehow. You can stop the bike, centerstand it, check the oil - and there might not be any showing. Next time you ride it, stop and centerstand it, it might be back up to the dot in the center of the sight glass.

Make sure the bike is on a fairly level surface, and on the centerstand when you check the oil - you won't get a right reading on the sidestand.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 12:36 am    Post subject: Oil loss Reply with quote

Is the bike continuing to burn oil?
Have you considered condensation in the crankcase giving an initial artificially high oil level? Once the oil gets hot, the oil level drops dramatically as the water evaporates.
That could be your answer if the bike had seen mainly city use before it was stored and you have subsequently taken it for a good ride out into the country side after it came out of storage.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 1:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Losing Oil Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
These bikes hide oil - somewhere, somehow. You can stop the bike, centerstand it, check the oil - and there might not be any showing. Next time you ride it, stop and centerstand it, it might be back up to the dot in the center of the sight glass.


That's correct.
When I get my bike back in the garage after a ride, I'll check the level on the centre stand.
Then if I roll it off, and lean the bike as far as I comfortably can to the right, hold it there for 5 seconds, and place it back on the centre stand, I get a significantly higher level reading.

The BMW workshop states that up to 0.07 litre per 62km is acceptable.
Clearly this bike has gone way beyond that.
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PostPosted: Fri May 06, 2016 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK I'm confused. I don't lean anything considering how heavy the thing is.

When I change the oil I put in 3ish quarts and start it to fill the filter then shut it off. I then slowly add oil on the center stand until it's between the red dot and top of the site glass. When I fill up with fuel, I put it on the center stand and check the oil after a few minutes, and it stays about the same. About time for the next oil change it at the red dot or a little below, I've never had to add oil between a change.

I don't see what leaning it would do other than raise the level temporarily. Most engines do not like to be overfilled.

What oil are you using?
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: Losing Oil Reply with quote

Jim wrote:
These bikes hide oil - somewhere, somehow.


Funny and stupid - but true for some odd reason. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

N41EF wrote:
OK I'm confused. I don't lean anything considering how heavy the thing is.?


I tend to do it when it's on the centre stand.
If you don't have the strength, then yes, don't attempt it.


N41EF wrote:
I don't see what leaning it would do other than raise the level temporarily. Most engines do not like to be overfilled.
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Nothing to do with overfilling.
I can absolutely promise you that the oil level goes up and stays up if you pull the bike over for a few seconds after about 5 minutes with the engine stopped.
As was said, the oil hides, and I theorise that it collects near the top end
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea, the bit of leaning towards the right side lets the oil flow out of the "backside" of the pistons.

I also lean mine sometimes before I park it as well.
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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And since it's a really slow day and since I'm getting really old, I would comment that on the other hand NOT leaning the bike then makes yours a potential first line of defense against the Zika-bearing mosquito, or at least as soon as someone comes up with an insecticide additive for our oil Smile

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PostPosted: Sat May 07, 2016 5:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And I probably should add that, after forty years of dealing with undergraduates prior to the advent of the Zika virus and seeing the consequences of microencephaly, I would not want things to get even worse. Very Happy
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