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Shoganai · Last edited by Shoganai on Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:30 am; edited 1 time in total

So I offered to help Chris with his bike.

Here are some pics.

Parts ordered.

One Time use SCREWS - $8.88
CLUTCH PLATE - $154.56
SHAFT SEAL - $11.60
SHAFT SEAL - $9.30
O-RING - $1.55
COMPRESSION RING - $4.27
HEX NUT - $9.38
SHAFT SEAL - $28.53

SubTotal: $228.07
Shipping (FedEx Priority Overnight-$33.59): $33.59
Express Ordering(VOR): $11.40
TOTAL: $273.06

Slave cylinder seal leaking.

Rear Main was toast.

Awaiting cleaning.

If you look REAL close at the bottom left bolt hole, you might be able to see it looks different.
I broke the the bolt off in there :baldy
Thanks to Steve telling me to use PB Blaster on the remaining two that were stuck, they came right out easily.

So Steve and I pulled the bell housing off...

And took these to the machine shop to save it.

As it sits now.

Steve checked the rotor, it's ok.

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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

SugarHillCTD · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 6:17 am Post subject:

Chris is really lucky to have friends like you and Steve!

Drivetrain will run like new.

Thanks for the pictures.

John
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Ted · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:52 am Post subject:

No kidding, that is awesome! I love the pics Smile

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blue95lt · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:41 pm Post subject: clutch splines?

Gwin,did it strip out the splines in the clutch disk?
they look gone from the picture?
what caused that? keith
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Shoganai · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 3:09 pm Post subject: Re: clutch splines?

Hi ya Keith,

Yes, that's what it is.
The clutch plate is a wear item, like brake pads.

Christopher P. · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:58 pm Post subject:

I am truly blessed to count them as my friends. I have no idea what I did to deserve it, and have no idea how to pay it back/forward/sideways. All I know is I'll try, and keep trying until balance in the force is somehow achieved. It starts with a check and wrench-time tomorrow, and a bottle of Beam. But that only begins the down payment.
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Christopher P. · Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:00 pm Post subject:

Big shout out to Drake, who upon hearing that I was in need of a replacement for my rear fairing (don't ask) offered one up immediately for a paltry sum.
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Christopher P. · Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:37 pm Post subject:

Damn, that was a long day. Didn't realize that I'd been there 8 hours, but we did it - everything buttoned up, nothing broken, no parts leftover. Only had to back up twice to redo things in the wrong order.

Clutch needs tightening up, we're waiting on the rear fairing, and filling up all the fluids, but otherwise it's in perfect working order.

Thank you so much, Gwen, for all your help... and Steve for the shop space when your own bikes need it (he has too many). Hope you enjoy the libations, and hope I don't have to intrude on your hospitality for a long time.
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SugarHillCTD · Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 6:34 am Post subject:

Wrenching Wench indeed!

Great work folks. Just about back on two wheels Christopher? Excellent.
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'92 K100RS4V Pearl White SOLD
'04 K1200GT
IBA Several-SS1k, BBG, 50CC NYC to S.F.

Shoganai · Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 8:16 am Post subject:

I got trapped in "Windows Update Time Zone" and didn't upload any pics yet, but I will as soon as possible.

Drif10 (ADV) aka Jim and his wife are coming in from Canada today then we leave for VIR track days, so bear with me as it might be a little while.
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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

Christopher P. · Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 11:51 am Post subject:

Say hi for me!
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Shoganai · Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:00 pm Post subject:

Will do.
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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

RJTrucker · Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 12:53 pm Post subject:

After you finish the bike if you want to do another 1985 K100 Project I have a few of them here I am looking to move plus a ton of extra parts. I am clearing out the garage to make room for other things. So I am selling a few running K100RSs and a few parts bikes. Even looking to sell my K1100LT if I can.
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1993 K11LT
1985 K100RS with over 100K on it
1985 K100RS Luftmiester Turbo Work in progress (any help is appreciated)
1974 R90/6

Christopher P. · Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:37 pm Post subject:

RJTrucker · Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2011 11:04 am Post subject:

I bet I have as many parts as Drake but Iam not as orginized as he is. I need the space also. That is the main reason I am looking to sell off some of the stuff I have to make room for different projects. If you need anything for the K100 I am n ot that far from you. I am in central NJ and it is a nice ride from MD to here.
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1993 K11LT
1985 K100RS with over 100K on it
1985 K100RS Luftmiester Turbo Work in progress (any help is appreciated)
1974 R90/6

Shoganai · Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 12:50 am Post subject:

Saturday dawns and I'm up early in the garage. While waiting for parts to arrive I finish some small projects on my K11 then start cleaning parts from Smithy's bike.

The clutch nut on the right is the old one.

Then Smithy arrived ready to get to work.

For some reason Chris liked this chicken so he wanted it in some pics. He tried to explain it to me but I'm sorry Chris I just didn't get it.

Tapping in the new seal, or Smithy in his natural state with a hammer in his hand.

Using the same alignment tool I used in High Level in 2006.

Pulled out the old shaft seal.

Chris brought a home made drift which worked great.

I struggle horribly with taking the written word and forming pictures with them in my head when it comes to directions. Chris had the misfortune to witness this first hand. Sorry for making this part stressful.

Now I need to back up just a little bit here.

While Chris and I were struggling to get the intermediate housing in place on the back of the engine, it kept hanging up. So Chris calls Jon D., and while they were talking I kept trying to seal the housing.

As I pulled it off to start again to attempt yet again to get it on the crankshaft gear and spring fell out!

"Holy SHIT! Dammitallthehell" - I believe those we're my exact words.

See, what Christ didn't know was before he arrived I had called Morton's BMW about some parts for myself and they asked me what I was doing, so I told them.

When the tech understood where I was working on the bike, he said, "Listen, there's a flat disk spring behind the crankshaft gear and if it falls out it can go in right or wrong equally well".

"If you put it in wrong, you won't know it's wrong until it's all back together. Listen, if it falls out, give us a call before we close at 5 and we'll talk you through putting it in right".

The only saving grace was that I had touched those gears the other day and in doing so discovered that that gear could be pushed in slightly and it would spring back.

So Chris and I start trial placements (after I get my poop in a group) and were able to get it in oriented correctly (up/down) and flipped in on the shaft right.

So from there things go fairly quickly.

Dude!! It's only 12 Nm.

Chris started calling my digital torque wrench the "Boss" because it's badassed and always right.

When in doubt, apply leverage.

Aligning the cush drive to the alternator dog was a PITA, just sayin' .

Who would have thought the shock of all things would give us a real us that much trouble.

But we were saved by Steverino who showed up and directed our efforts with great effect.

It will wait here for the replacement rear cowling we broke when moving it.

Good times indeed.

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1993 K1100RS aka The Shop Whore
1994 K1100RS aka Blue Streak

The long road is a rainbow and the pot of gold lies there.
So slip the chain and I'm off again,
You'll find me everywhere. I'm a Rover. - JT

Nana korobi ya oki

Rafal · Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 2:50 am Post subject:

Hello!
I really love good, old style motorcycle and engine porn Razz

. It is good that the bike was resurrected nor recycled.
Two issues:
1 - there is an interesting exhaust pipe, do You know the model name?
2 - while I was replacing the shaft seal I have found information that new seal should be installed 0,5 mm above engine housing (confirmed by the BMW bulletin), so hammer tapping is no good any more...

Best regards,
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K1100RS is a real beast (in Marrakesh Red)
K75S is a real beauty - she has gone Sad

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robleyd · Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:44 am Post subject:

Is that a Tom Cutter rubber chicken?

I'm carefully going to ignore the Marlboro packet :-0
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Christopher P. · Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:01 am Post subject:

It's a Supertrapp exhaust.

The rubber chickens were the result of a joke on another forum, an English member finding them in a store as pet toys. The "cocks", he found, would honk when you squeezed them. So we all needed "honking cocks."

We left the main seal proud - I used that wooden drift, at an angle, to bottom out before the seal was flush with the housing. I didn't have a good way to measure it precisely, but I'm pretty sure we're within tolerance of the new specs.

And even after all that, I still have no idea how the clutch actually works. I mean, I understand that in the normal case, there is adequate friction between the part the engine spins and the part that spins the transmission, but I don't see the widget that disconnects them when you pull the clutch handle. The linkage below and behind the transmission seems obvious, but I didn't have a clear understanding of how pushing that spring in the boot does anything forward of the transmission housing to uncouple the plates in the basket enough to let it all slip. If someone could explain this to me, referring to the pics above, I'd be seriously grateful. Gwen tried, but by that time we were rushing to reassemble and were exhausted.
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Ernie-NH · Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 11:37 am Post subject:

Hi Guys.....

HEY... what a great job !! HoooooRahhhhh HoooooRahhhhh !!

RE: Rafal's comment : ""2 - while I was replacing the shaft seal I have found information that new seal should be installed 0,5 mm above engine housing (confirmed by the BMW bulletin), so hammer tapping is no good any more...""

Standing the seal a few mm outboard is simply to provide a new "wear track" away from the one worn in by the original installation. The "5mm" figure is just an arbitrary and conservative value since wear tracks are seldom wider than 0.5mm providing no foreign particles ( engine wear etc ) have lodged themselves under the sealing lip and created havoc. So even IF you have to hammer it in, using a proper annular drift, a good eye is all one needs. The most common mistake I've seen is that a surprising number of people simply do not know how to orient the seal. For them, success is a 50/50 proposition.

Another common mistake I see for DIY mechanics is that they try to "clean the shaft" using some abrasive. NEVER NEVER do that, because these shafts are 'plunge ground' ( ie: Einstichgeschliffen ) in order to provide the truly circular ( not spiral or random ) grooves on the shaft that the seal REQUIRES to function. So resist the urge to 'clean it up'...

Good luck, and once again a TERRIFIC job by Shogi and crew !!

Best regards.........// Ernie in NH

PS: Terrific Supervision as well......eh?
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