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Nearly new '97 K-LT 7500 miles
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don good



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:44 pm    Post subject: k11 Reply with quote

OK, im in the ballpark, somewhere between $4700 and $5000 is where the seller is at. He wants to keep stuff for the lower prices. Probably best to pay the $5 and sell what i dont want myself.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:50 pm    Post subject: k11 Reply with quote

The problem in my head is that there are numerous newer bmw's such as r1150r, rts, s's, in the same dollar range, even an occasional k1200rs, all with reasonable miles. Those rides are generally between 98 and 04 and all seem right. Why is it not better to go for the newest avail at the better price?????I know, its all what I want, but what do I want.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not having seen a pic, but based on description, and with bags, etc, probably $6000 for that bike. As Drake said - it will be worth more in the spring. Keep in mind there is a limited audience for a K-bike that is now 3 generations old, regardless of miles. I see 04 K-GT's and 04 twin-spark oilheads (R1150RT) in the $8-9000 range now and they are almost 10 years newer than the bike you're looking at, with better handling and more modern style. That said, some of us prefer the traditional flying brick and it's getting harder to find them with low miles. I just scored a very clean (but not mint) 95 K-LT in Graphit with 21K miles for $5250 and consider myself very fortunate. I plan to keep it forever. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

With regard to your second question about similarly-priced but newer bikes such as those you and I both mentioned - KRS's, KGT's, R1150's. I don't find the later K1200 bricks to be as versatile - the GT and RS gained a lot of weight and still have the leaned over riding position which I find painful on long days, and the LT became a whale. They all have heavy-steering. The R1150RT, of which I have owned two, are serious competition to the K-LT and offer some advantages: they handle excellent, look stunning, and have a very comfortable seating position for long days in the saddle. Drawbacks are a bit higher price, the clunky-shifting around town, lack of power at slower speeds and frequent maintenance requirements. I have actually had the valves loosen up to a clatter within one lap of the western states (5000 mi). Not to mention that incredibly annoying surging on the pre-2004 (twin-spark). And clutch and final drive failures. In my opinion you can't beat a K1100LT for all around performance, comfort, dependability and lack of maintenance needs - just get on, ride and enjoy every day with very little fuss. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got my '97LT back in early 2005. Like Phil says it was one of the base models of the line. No Radio, no heated grips, broken top case lid hinge.
Likewise it had only about 7K miles on it at the time.

I wish I had known of this site before I bought it or I probably wouldn't have paid as much as I did(almost 6K), or maybe I wouldn't have it either.

It's got close to 40K on it now and I have had some issues with it.

Most of them I have been able to address lately myself without a dealer mechanic.

The biggest "bend me over" was in '08 when I had to have a couple of valves replaced, and a water/oil pump rebuild.

Since then I have done all my own work on both bikes.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 7:53 pm    Post subject: k11 Reply with quote

I have experience with the frailities of the k11, especially the oil/waterpump leaks, the front master cylinder leaks, pulling cams to adj valves, etc. I had a very similiar same color 96 k11lt and traded it in 03 for a whale, big mistake. This one has caught my eye and Im just a little apprehensive about the things going wrong caused by such low mileage, re dry hoses and seals, etc.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: k11 Reply with quote

don good wrote:
I have experience with the frailities of the k11, especially the oil/waterpump leaks, the front master cylinder leaks, pulling cams to adj valves, etc. I had a very similiar same color 96 k11lt and traded it in 03 for a whale, big mistake. This one has caught my eye and Im just a little apprehensive about the things going wrong caused by such low mileage, re dry hoses and seals, etc.


I think the "non-usage" fear is way overblown, especially in a BMW which uses quality components and has very tight engineering standards.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:08 pm    Post subject: Ted's system Reply with quote

Earlier today, Ted offered up his systematic approach to the process of buying a bike on the BMWMOA website: it's relevant to this discussion:

http://www.verrill.com/moto/kbikebuyingguide.shtml

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:10 pm    Post subject: Re: k11 Reply with quote

Off the grid wrote:
I think the "non-usage" fear is way overblown, especially in a BMW which uses quality components and has very tight engineering standards.


I agree with OTG. I bought my 93 in 05 with only 13.xxx miles on it and, from the layers of dust on it, I could tell it hand't been ridden in quite a while. The only problem I've had is a little seal at the rear end of the clutch pushrod.

Unless the thing has been sitting in the sun in Phoenix or San Diego then I wouldn't worry about it.

The only thing I'd check is the crank case breather hose. Maybe replace it for peace of mind.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:22 pm    Post subject: k11 Reply with quote

I know about the pushrod seal leak as most of the k's leaked into the rubber boot and unless it was a serious leak, not aware until removing boot for whatever. Im not comfortable that BMW has good tight engineering anymore, ask those thousands who have had final drive failures, slave cyl. leaks, rear main seal leaks, and ruined clutches because of it. The breather hose is cheap and easy to change, but unless its deteriated because of fumes as is the case with most, its probably no worse than any of the rubber stuff.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rubber boot on the back of the tranny is supposed to have gear oil in there. It helps lubriate the crap at the rear end of the pushrod. So I wouldn't refer to that as "leaking." The purpose of the little seal at the rear of the pushrod is to keep that gear oil from creeping up the pushrod.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im thinking, out loud here, If the oil is supposed to be in the boot, how do you suppose it gets there. I have not read nor seen anyway to fill the boot unless the oil comes out of the rear tranny seal and the little ring/seal on the pushrod front is to keep oil from the clutch. There is nothing at the rear of the pushrod that needs oiled, it only makes a mess under there. Ive done a few of these a good while back and could be a little sketchy about what is there. At any rate, im still looking for pricing info and trying to justify a 8hr plus ride to see this bike..
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

don good wrote:
Im thinking, out loud here, If the oil is supposed to be in the boot, how do you suppose it gets there. I have not read nor seen anyway to fill the boot unless the oil comes out of the rear tranny seal and the little ring/seal on the pushrod front is to keep oil from the clutch.


It comes from the transmission, like it's supposed to.

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There is nothing at the rear of the pushrod that needs oiled, it only makes a mess under there.


Yes there is. There's a cup (part number 23131464167, bmw calls it a piston in the parts catalog, earlier Ks has a little disk with ball bearings in there too) between the clutch arm and the pushrod. That most definitely needs to be lubricated. If that cup weren't lubricated then the wall of it would be unlubricated metal on metal with the sleeve (cylinder, whatever you want to call it) in the tranny.

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At any rate, im still looking for pricing info and trying to justify a 8hr plus ride to see this bike..


I hope it works out for you at a decent price.
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