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Adrian

Hi folks,

I need to replace the front brake lines with stainless ones. I understand that there are 4 lines. I can see three of them:

splitter to left caliper
splitter to right caliper
bottom of yoke to splitter

But where does the 4th go and is it straight forward to replace?

Thanks

Adrian/Orinoco
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Flying Duck · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 7:07 pm Post subject:

Master cylinder?
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Moondog · Posted: Sun Feb 01, 2009 10:39 pm Post subject:

Yes there are two that go from the master cylinder.
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BMGraeme · Posted: Mon Feb 02, 2009 2:30 pm Post subject:

+1: its from the master cylinder - goes under the tank and connects up to the pipe line (don't know what else to call it) that then goes to the ABS servo.
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Adrian · Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:51 pm Post subject:

Thank you folks, of course - doh!
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chopper_harris · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 8:34 pm Post subject:

I fitted a full set of front/rear to my LT (ABS II).

You have to remove the fuel tank, and firkle around with the mess of wiring which lives along the frame top tube.

The m/cyl flexy pipe mates up to a hard pipe, which runs to a union above the radiator cover, on the RHS of the bike.

With a bit of cleaning and polishing, you should budget on two hours to fit the hoses, and another hour or so to bleed up.
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Flying Duck · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:32 pm Post subject:

Just curious but why do you guys want to install stainless brake lines? Being a fan of stainless crap, if it's for show I can understand that but it's not like the K11 brakes are mushy. In fact, when the brake fluid is kept fresh I find mine to be a little TOO grabby - especially at low speeds.

Also note that many are of the opinion that the stainless abraids the encased brake lines makes them degrade more quickly. I have no opinion or hard data on this but it SOUNDS logical. Rolling Eyes

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93 LT (x2)
94 RS
86-97 K75F(K75/100/1100 Frankenbrick)
86 K75C w/paralever, hi perf cams,TURBO!
91 & 92 K75Ss
91 K1
86 custom K100
14 WR250R
IBA #17739 (SS1K, BBG, 50CC)
Buy parts HERE

Mystic Red · Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:48 pm Post subject:

Well Drake, let me answer that from my perspective. Brake lines do fail instantaneously, our bike are getting to be fossisl Very Happy

, and they are cheaper than OEM. And they will last the lifetime of the bike. My.02.
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Adrian · Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2009 6:33 pm Post subject:

Like Mystic Red said, I'm replacing as one of the hoses has a small crack in it, which could fail instantaneously as they've been there for 12 years and 140,000 miles. After all rubber hoses are meant to have a lifespan of 3 years.

The stainless ones are cheaper than OEM BMW ones and not much more than after market rubber ones, a no brainer really.

Thanks for the advice Chopper.

Adrian
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chopper_harris · Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 8:30 am Post subject:

Saltcreek · Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:16 am Post subject:

If you have 30K on a 15 year old bike do you just replace the lines or do you defer if

a. Brakes feel good
b. Lines visually inspect good
c. Old brake fluid looks decent when changed
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dave n · Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:44 am Post subject:

Moondog · Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:55 pm Post subject:

Respectfully disagree. Outside can look fine but inside can be damaged. Brake fluid is nasty stuff and does havoc to the rubber over time. One of the problems that can happen is the inside disengrates and or it can also swell. Brakes are nothing to scimp on. When in doubt, change it out. My .02
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BobZ(IL) · Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:59 pm Post subject:

Hmmmm....my 30 year old R100S has a plethora of brake lines, rubber hoses, gas lines and things that have never been a problem.
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Moondog · Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:13 am Post subject:

Consider yourself lucky.

Trust us when we say they weaken overtime. I am an aircraft mechanic and brake lines on aircraft are changed out every 5 years. No matter what they look like.
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Ray Guarino · Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 2:55 pm Post subject:

It's time for me to change my stock brake lines as well and I was considering the Stainless Steel option as well. Where do you guys recommend I go for the best parts/price?
Ray

Jim · Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:54 pm Post subject:

Hi Ray,

I recommend Spiegler. The links can be found in this thread: http://www.k11og.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4540&highlight=stainless+steel+brake
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Moondog · Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:15 pm Post subject:

I bought at Speigler too. No problems. If you have the Bar-Backs research a longer hose. Some say its needed some say no. I had an extra long one made.
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I like the social aspect of riding. Rally's, socializing, drinking beer, fartin' and carrying on. Smile

2004 R1150RS
1996 K1100RS (moved on to new home)

Mystic Red · Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 9:40 pm Post subject:

I just did mine Monday. Pulled the old lines, ran into Spokane to the House of Hose, and an hour later they handed me 4 new stainless hoses. The only one that was a PITA was the one that comes off the m/c. I pulled the tank, couldn't see the connection, so I looked behind the forks, above the radiator and found it. Then I parted the wiring under the tank to access.
Ebay sells 2 hoses for $130ish and House of Hose built all 4 for $184. My advise is to find someone local that builds them.
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Jim · Posted: Thu Feb 19, 2009 12:17 am Post subject: ss brake lines

Spiegler has a kit to fit both of the K1100's. I've had Spiegler on the K for a number of years now - no problems.
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1997 K1100LTSE 94,000 - still has gremlins!
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1992 K75RTP 46,000

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