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kayakkermit
Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 11 Location: Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:21 pm Post subject: fuel return through oil cooler? |
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Has anyone tried running the return fuel through a small oil cooler mounted in front of the radiator to cool it further before it returns to the fuel tank?
I'm thinking that this would significantly lower some of the rider discomfort associated with heat radiating off of the fuel tank.
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rydor Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 16 Nov 2006 Posts: 1304 Location: Southern Illinois, U.S.A.
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Not a bad idea... I don't recall anyone trying that approach. |
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Scott_Anderson Site Admin
Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 3122 Location: Central Iowa, USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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I couldn't think of any reason why it wouldn't work, as long as you can route/insulate the fuel return line so it doesn't pickup heat from the rad/engine. _________________ Ride safe.
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chopper_harris Flying Brick Rider

Joined: 28 Dec 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Nr Wigan, UK
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Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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Your insurance company would take a very dim view of such a mod - they will invalidate any claim if they find undeclared mods
A split line on an oil cooler is annoying, with lots of white smoke. A split fuel line is potentially catastrophic.
Sounds costly, risky and LOTS of hassle  _________________ C1 200 (2001)
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Jim Site Admin

Joined: 17 May 2003 Posts: 3841 Location: WHERETHEFUNNEVERENDS
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 12:05 am Post subject: |
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| chopper_harris wrote: | Your insurance company would take a very dim view of such a mod - they will invalidate any claim if they find undeclared mods
I don't think we know where the kayak hermit is. I've never heard of declaring modifications to the insurance company.
A split line on an oil cooler is annoying, with lots of white smoke. A split fuel line is potentially catastrophic.
Riding a motorcycle is potentially catastrophic....
Sounds costly, risky and LOTS of hassle  |
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1997 K1100LTSE 94,000 - still has gremlins!
1995 R100RT Classic 16,650 crashed - repaired!
1992 K75RTP 46,000
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kayakkermit
Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 11 Location: Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim wrote: | | chopper_harris wrote: | Your insurance company would take a very dim view of such a mod - they will invalidate any claim if they find undeclared mods
I don't think we know where the kayak hermit is. I've never heard of declaring modifications to the insurance company.
Sorry, I live in Southwestern Ontario, and mods are not reported to the insurance company typically.
A split line on an oil cooler is annoying, with lots of white smoke. A split fuel line is potentially catastrophic.
Riding a motorcycle is potentially catastrophic....
I am much more worried about the rubber return line rupturing over top of the engine then I am about the steel lines in a cooler.
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I have been watching fleabay, and sometimes you can get a new oil cooler for as cheap as 20 dollars if you have patience. I honestly fail to see any added risk then what the rubber line is giving anyway, and isn't half the fun of riding tinkering with one's bike anyway? |
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Jim Site Admin

Joined: 17 May 2003 Posts: 3841 Location: WHERETHEFUNNEVERENDS
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Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:08 pm Post subject: fuel cooler |
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hey Kermit - go for it! You won't be able to test it probably until next summer - unless you go way south.
Where the hell would you put it, though? _________________ Jim
1997 K1100LTSE 94,000 - still has gremlins!
1995 R100RT Classic 16,650 crashed - repaired!
1992 K75RTP 46,000
"We shall not all die, but we shall all be changed."
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michaelcurrin Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 01 Jun 2003 Posts: 329 Location: eastern NC
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:02 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Where the hell would you put it, though? There isn't enough room in front of the radiator, is there? |
I thought of doing this, even went so far as to buy a fuel cooler from Summit racing, but never figured out where to put it. _________________ Mike Currin
20 BMW R1250RS
93 BMW K1100RS / EML Speed 2000
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kayakkermit
Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 11 Location: Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 11:54 am Post subject: |
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I'm thinking that if I get a small enough one, I can fit it between the grille and the rad as there seems to be about an inchthickness of space there, and the rad is roughly 12x7? I've seen oil coolers smaller then that, so I guess now it's having patience for the right one at the right price to come up.
This may turn into a small fall/winter project. I wouldn't mind replacing all of the fuel return line while I am at it, and wrapping it in a better insulation then what I have now.
I had only taken a very quick look at where the return line attaches at the engine, and it looked like it was going to be a royal PITA to get my fat fingers in there to get at it. Am I missing something or did I just not take a good enough look? |
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Jim Site Admin

Joined: 17 May 2003 Posts: 3841 Location: WHERETHEFUNNEVERENDS
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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Kermit - which K do you have? _________________ Jim
1997 K1100LTSE 94,000 - still has gremlins!
1995 R100RT Classic 16,650 crashed - repaired!
1992 K75RTP 46,000
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mrsevendog Big Brick Rider
Joined: 28 Apr 2007 Posts: 65
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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| You could run a transmission cooler.Don't know which would be smaller. |
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duckbubbles Flying Brick Rider
Joined: 01 Jun 2006 Posts: 361 Location: Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:06 pm Post subject: |
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Years ago I saw a couple of K's that had a set up like this. They used a small power steering cooler. It was maybe six inches tall and maybe two inches square, a two pass line through the fins. It should work okay if you can put it in a place where plenty of air flow can pass though it.
Never saw it again, and don't know how well it worked.
Frank _________________ 85 K100/1100RS, 321,000 miles, 25 years
96 Ducati 900SS/SP, sold it
05 R1200ST, 35,000 miles, 5 years
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kayakkermit
Joined: 19 Aug 2008 Posts: 11 Location: Woodstock, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Jim wrote: | | Kermit - which K do you have? |
Just picked up 3 weeks ago my first beemer ever, an '87 K100LT.
Since the first time my bottom touched the seat 3 weeks ago, I've put on just over 1600 kms, almost all of that on the 3 Saturdays.
I'm hoping to take Friday off to go for a scenic tour, the leaves are just beginning to turn, supposed to be a high of 23 degrees celcius which should make a very comfortable ride. |
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